The puzzling activities of Ptm R C Nelson 11/22/1963

[Colin Crow]

From Marsalis/RL Thornton (12.45) to South end of Houston St viaduct (12.49) is 7.9 miles (google maps).

I have been generous with the times and is ikely a minute less.....

In any event.....Nelson does it in at least 120mph.....maybe 160mph! Not originally in his assigned district too (from my fading memory).

[Walt Cakebread]

From my memory when I looked into this years ago. There was a substantial thread on this on the old forum before the crash and all was lost.

Dispatcher   87, 78, move into central Oak Cliff area.       
    78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)   I'm about Kiest and Bonnie View.       
    87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)   87's going north on Marsalis at R.L. Thornton.

The instruction from Murray Jackson seems clear to Tippit and Nelson. Both appear acknowledge Jackson with their position. Nelson simply went to Dealey Plaza. Jackson?s excuse that they were bleeding Oak Ciiff disproportionally at that time was bogus. Menzel (91) had claimed he was out to lunch just before the shots rang out. It was his patrol district.....one guy was deemed sufficient before the shots and yet Jackson felt suddenly two officers were needed. A bit strange.

"Armed with is thought to be a 30-30 rifle".....   

A 30-30 is a Lever action rifle designed by Winchester.... There's no way a full wooden stock, mannlicher carcano, could be mistaken for a 30-30 Winchester.

Sorry to jump off topic... but since the police dispatcher describes the suspect as someone other than Lee Oswald and the weapon that is NOT a carcano, on this tape I wanted to call attention to this fact. 

[Jerry Freeman]

From Marsalis/RL Thornton (12.45) to South end of Houston St viaduct (12.49) is 7.9 miles (google maps).
I have been generous with the times and is likely a minute less.....
In any event.....Nelson does it in at least 120mph.....maybe 160mph! Not originally in his assigned district too (from my fading memory).

I actually checked all that and it's really about 4.5 miles from Thornton at Marsalis to 400 Elm street [Dealey Plaza] The drive could take less than 10 minutes at normal highway speed. However, In his interview-Nelson claims to have heard the shots and spoken [about two minutes later] to a patrolman who claimed to have seen the assassination. How could this be when it occurred 15 minutes before Nelson reported his location in Oak Cliff? His yarn just didn't fly.
 

[Colin Crow]

I actually checked all that and it's really about 4.5 miles from Thornton at Marsalis to 400 Elm street [Dealey Plaza] The drive could take less than 10 minutes at normal highway speed. However, In his interview-Nelson claims to have heard the shots and spoken [about two minutes later] to a patrolman who claimed to have seen the assassination. How could this be when it occurred 15 minutes before Nelson reported his location in Oak Cliff? His yarn just didn't fly.
 

My error on the distance....in any event Nelson was out of assigned district at the time and although acknowledging Jackson's directive by calling his location, ignored it by continuing onto the TSBD.

Jackson?s reason for calling them into Oak Cliff was bogus.

[Walt Cakebread]

I actually checked all that and it's really about 4.5 miles from Thornton at Marsalis to 400 Elm street [Dealey Plaza] The drive could take less than 10 minutes at normal highway speed. However, In his interview-Nelson claims to have heard the shots and spoken [about two minutes later] to a patrolman who claimed to have seen the assassination. How could this be when it occurred 15 minutes before Nelson reported his location in Oak Cliff? His yarn just didn't fly.
 

Jerry, perhaps you're looking at his from the wrong perspective.....Nelson said that he heard the shots, and talked to a cop who had witnessed the shooting....

Is it possible that he wasn't in Oakcliff at Thornton at Marsalis....  Could he have been in Dealey??

[Jerry Freeman]

From the lead post------ Nelson's interview....
         

Nelson remembers seeing Ruby bent over, as police officers tried to subdue him and
         someone yelled, ?Get his gun!?
         ?I grabbed for his hands and didn?t find a gun,? Nelson said. ?But I managed to
          manhandle him into the basement jail house office and handcuffed him.?

Awesome! However, I fail to see Nelson's name on the arrest form. I would like to see his picture at the Oswald shooting.
Think we can find one?
PS  I made an error in linking Ruby's arrest report. Here is all I can find so far....
 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/21/2113-001.gif
Jack Leaville, LC Graves, and Blackie Harrison are Jack Ruby's arresting officers of record.

Is it possible that he wasn't in Oakcliff at Thornton at Marsalis?

Then he lied about it. A liar anyway you slice it. R C Nelson, W R Westbrook and friends...all peas in a pod that day.
Of course I can't prove any involvement with the Tippit crime...but I am suspicious.  [/size]
   

[Jerry Freeman]

  although acknowledging Jackson's directive by calling his location, ignored it by continuing onto the TSBD. Jackson?s reason for calling them into Oak Cliff was bogus.

Then he disobeyed a directive and would have been subject to discipline. How would we know that he did this...because he said so? How do we know Jackson's reason?