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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: Most significant proof of innocence
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 03:49:50 PM »
I am not denying that Marina dictated the content of the article.  We cannot say if she did or not.  It is not substantial enough proof (in my opinion).

Marguerites testimony regarding this interview which was carried out at the Paines home on the 22.11.63 is on page 144 Ruth may well have done the translation https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0078b.htm

The reporter then called on the 23.11. this time with a Russian translator, see page 148
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Most significant proof of innocence
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 06:51:57 PM »
No denial here.  I do not believe LHO ever fired a shot on 11/22/1963.  The events of their meeting (Marina and Lee) could have easily taken place on the Thursday night before the assassination. However, Marina's conflicting stories render her unreliable and, without a direct quote, we cannot definitively say that she made the claim to the reporter.  You may have the denial locked up on this one.  Sorry to be the bearer of such news.

No denial here.  I do not believe LHO ever fired a shot on 11/22/1963.

If you read the article ( I have that copy of LIFE)  It's clearly obvious that they were heavily biased against Lee.  The article paints him as the murderer without any real justification.

P.S.   This story in a national publication (LIFE) was obviously intended to convict Lee Oswald in the public's mind....

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Offline Zeon Wasinsky

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Re: Most significant proof of innocence
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2018, 06:40:15 AM »
There is one way to prove beyond doubt that Oswald could not have been on the 6th floor at time of shooting, and that is Dorothy Garner.

If she is still alive, a simple question could be asked: Did you hear V Adams and  Sandra Styles voices on the staircase, when you came out of the 4th floor office?

Mrs Garners statement to Barry Ernest, author of the book "The Girl on the Stairs" was that she did not actually see Adams and Styles when exiting the 4th floor office, but she "heard" them on the staircase.

Given that Adams and Styles did not run into Baker and Truly, or vis versa, means A&S had to have left the 4th floor office by 10 sec post shots, in order to make it to the 1st floor by 60 sec post shots, and exit out an open roll up door by the elevators. Baker and Truly are crossing the 1st floor surely by 65 sec post shots, to reach the rear stairs and elevators by 70 sec post shots, thus would surely have seen A&S arriving any later than 60 sec to the 1st floor.

Mrs Dorothy Garners statement to Barry Ernest was that she followed A&S "almost immediately" and "right behind" them. But she also did not "see" them when she exited the office, so that defacto means Garner delayed at least 15 seconds after A&S exited, which is the time required for A&S to have crossed about 70 ft of floor and go down partway the 1st half of the staircase and be out of LOS of Garner, when she exits the office.

To have missed seeing Oswald on the 4th floor landing however, Mrs Garner would have had to delay approx 43 seconds from when A&S exited the office (they exited at 10 sec post shots), because it would take Oswald at least 50 seconds to reach the 4th floor staircase, and 3 sec more to go down it far enough  to be out of LOS of Garner.
 
If Garner heard "the voices of the girls" on the stairs, that conclusively would prove Garner  exited office WELL BEFORE 53 second post shots, because at 53 sec post shots, Adams and Styles have almost reached  1st floor and thats 4 floors of sound separation thus improbable  that Garner would have  heard their voices.

Barring such a definitive statement from Garner, leaves only the probability of which time is more probable to match best with Dorothy Garners statement of following "immediately" and "right behind" A&S. 15 secs later?  or 43 seconds later?



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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Most significant proof of innocence
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 03:11:20 PM »
No denial here.  I do not believe LHO ever fired a shot on 11/22/1963.

If you read the article ( I have that copy of LIFE)  It's clearly obvious that they were heavily biased against Lee.  The article paints him as the murderer without any real justification.

P.S.   This story in a national publication (LIFE) was obviously intended to convict Lee Oswald in the public's mind....

There's a book called "JFK First Day Evidence" you might want to peruse.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Most significant proof of innocence
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2018, 05:12:00 PM »
There's a book called "JFK First Day Evidence" you might want to peruse.

I bought the book at the Adolphus in Dallas in 93....Rusty Livingston autographed it at the time...My copy of that book is
now somewhat worn ....but what exactly are you referring to.....

Are you referring to the photo on page 193 ? Which is a photo of the box the "subject sat on"  ....At least that's what RL Studebaker wrote on the box on 11 /22/63.....

The note on the box reads....."from top of box subject sat on " The note and the "LEFT PALM" print are on the NW corner of the box ......so if the subject  ( the arch villainm Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald ) actually sat on that box he was facing North ..but the astute investigators imagined that he had sat on that box and aimed the rifle from the SOUTH window...

Question.... How the hell could the arch villain been facing NORTH while aiming a rifle SOUTH?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Most significant proof of innocence
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2018, 10:02:03 PM »
There is one way to prove beyond doubt that Oswald could not have been on the 6th floor at time of shooting, and that is Dorothy Garner.

If she is still alive, a simple question could be asked: Did you hear V Adams and  Sandra Styles voices on the staircase, when you came out of the 4th floor office?

Sadly, she is not.


 

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