So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of a patsy begins?


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Offline John Anderson

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and framing a patsy begins?
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 12:45:36 AM »
If coercing people was so easy why is the evidence such a shambles? Surely Frazier and sister would have been adamant the bag was 3 feet long. Marina would confirm she saw the paper and tape the night before and Ruth Paine saw Oswald leaving the garage at 1am with a screw driver and scissors. A few spare 6.5 mm rounds lying around would have helped as well.

Why would so many people be allowed in the trauma room or at the autopsy if they were covering anything up? Two pathologists and a technician or two in a private setting would be the preferred course of action. Room protected from outside by the secret service so the pathologists could bash the head in with a hammer, destroying unwanted evidence. Why didn't those easily coerced people plant numerous clear finger prints from Oswald all over the rifle, the bag, the boxes or Tippits car?

Why didn't they easily coerce witnesses to testify they saw Oswald and only Oswald shooting from the 6th floor window? Why didn't they just sew things thing up tight right from the offset? Lets not forget about the unspoken witnesses. Those who would have seen Oswald somewhere else that Thursday night and Friday morning if he wasn't at the Paines. They would need to be coerced easily as well.

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and framing a patsy begins?
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Offline Larry Baldwin

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2018, 01:05:10 PM »
He told Marina that soon they could go and get a new home together, this does not sound like the same guy who left his wedding ring behind and killed the POTUS because his wife would not reconcile

Once again, we have a journalist who may or may not have reported correctly on dates and we have Marina who changed her story many times.  It is simply not definitive enough for me.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 01:17:26 PM »
Not one credible witness exists or existed for that matter to verify if Oswald even went home on that Thursday 21/11/63 we can't go by Marina because a lot suggests that she was subject to an extreme element of mind control in the aftermath, lets not forget her first interview with the magazine, before she went through all of the interogations, it reported that the last time she saw Lee was Thursday over a week prior to the shootings, it went on in the article that he was in good spirits and they discussed getting their own home together.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=U1IEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&redir_esc=y&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Please find Marinas first interview on page 39 on that link, where she mentions seeing him for the last time pre shootings, one week before the day. he lifted up his infant Daughter and was in high spirits, he talked of them finding a family home and buying Christmas presents, before returning to his tiny apartment for another week of work, this was the last time Marina seen her Husband before he was arrested


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Please find Marinas first interview on page 39 on that link, where she mentions seeing him for the last time pre shootings, one week before the day...

The article does not quote Marina saying such a thing.

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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 01:21:19 PM »
Hey, Larry.  The interview with Life took place when Oswald was still alive.
So in essence, Oswald did not go home that Thursday and therefore couldn't have
smuggled in a rifle on Friday morning.  This means that any witness who testified
that he did go home was coerced to lie about it.  Which is easier to believe - she
left out that Thursday visit or that happier visit - the weekend before last - was indeed the
last time she saw her husband.

Of course, if he didn't go home ... this means the planners of his patsy hood had
Oswald already implicated whether he came from Irving or from his rooming house.
So why coerce people who could eventually tell the truth about the matter when they could
have said  - it was his rifle so he must have somehow smuggled it in before the President came.

Btw .. if it was that easy to coerce his wife and co-worker what would have prevented them
from coercing a bus driver or a passenger or a stranger had he left his rooming house and state
... Come to think of it.  I did see him carrying a package when he entered the bus.

Read the article, Dan.  It does not quote Marina saying that the last time she saw Lee was the previous week.  Read the article before you reference it.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2018, 01:24:02 PM by Bill Brown »

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 01:22:19 PM »
I finally read it.  However, their are no direct quotes from Marina stating that the weekend prior to the assassination was the last time that she saw Lee.  It is the journalist telling the story, not Marina.

Bingo!  We have a winner.

Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 01:40:29 PM »
Read the article, Dan.  It does not quote Marina saying that the last time she saw Lee was the previous week.  Read the article before you reference it.

Yup,  The article stated but Marina wasn't quoted as saying it.
The point I was trying to make was how the patsy-fication of Oswald
doesn't make any sense without Oswald's actions.  Hypothetically speaking
if he didn't go home that Thursday and left for work the next day from his rooming
house, they still believe the rifle got in the building by invisible hands of some sort.
The same invisible hands that shaped his destiny.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2018, 01:45:58 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and framing a patsy begins?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 01:50:59 PM »


Why didn't they easily coerce witnesses to testify they saw Oswald and only Oswald shooting from the 6th floor window? Why didn't they just sew things thing up tight right from the offset? Lets not forget about the unspoken witnesses. Those who would have seen Oswald somewhere else that Thursday night and Friday morning if he wasn't at the Paines. They would need to be coerced easily as well.

I think that a witness existed who said she had a full conversation with Oswald in a fast food restaurant on the night before the assasination, I will try locate the link.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2018, 02:06:36 PM by Michael O'Brian »

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2018, 01:53:36 PM »

I agree.  This is the first assassination of a political figure that I know of, where two targets
had to be in place at the same time
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Yes - we see the President approaching.  There is no bubble top on the limo and no SS
on the back bumper.  Is it a go? 

That depends - Is the patsy in place?  Is the evidence to frame the patsy in place, as well?

Well, the evidence is planted but last night the patsy was struck with a bowel disorder.
He's in the hospital.

Do it anyway ... We'll still make him look like he did it.



With Vice President Johnson on the phone telling the Parkland doctors that they must have the patient discharged by Friday morning.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2018, 06:18:56 PM by Joe Elliott »

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