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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2018, 08:41:23 PM »
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Name me just one ballistic expert who disagrees with this?

WTF are you talking about?

Just use some common sense and logic, which you are struggling with to refute me.

Blow-outs yes, explosions no.

yadayadayada

Why wasn't the sunlight reflecting off of ANYTHING else on JFK? Sorry, this was NOT sunlight.

If you say so. What ballistic expert agrees with you? Waiting...

Or the frangible bullet blows out a hole in the side of JFK's head, which couldn't possibly be an exit wound if the shot came from the TSBD. Otherwise show the trajectory. Waiting...


Why wasn't the sunlight reflecting off of ANYTHING else on JFK?

> The brain matter was wet

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2018, 09:19:08 PM »
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It does not disprove its' authenticity, it disproves the carefully scripted witnesses statements involved in the plot/scheme to assassinate the President.       You have just fallen into my hands.   Really, the FBI, CIA and Secret Service find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place.  You can't have the cake and eat it too!     They need to discredit the rest of the film but keep Z313/314 as they really need that for de facto evidence to complete the framing of a lone dead gunman LHO who did it all!

So in your opinion, you can't use the Z313/Z314 frames as they are not authentic.     How do you convict LHO?  These frames are produced as the infallible evidence used to convict LHO of a crime he didn't commit.    I would not go so far to say that he wasn't somehow involved, but I don't think he realized he was going to be killed for his sins in the plot!   We know that he must have had serious ties to his handlers as he had trips to Russia and Cuba that must have been funded by someone!    Those 2 slides collaborate the evidence of finding a sniper rifle in the sniper's nest in TSBD building!   A few frames were released at the time showing this to the WC but the bulk of the  film wasn't released for 10 years into the public domain.    The public cried for some pictures so some had to come out!   Why do you suppose this was done?    By saying what you have stated in your statement, you are admitting someone had wrongfully used this film as the concrete evidence to convict LHO.     What was the purpose of not letting the American Public see this film at the time?    The cameraman who took the pictures of the TBSD window, bus, theater and others entered as evidence is just too coincidental to have been real.   He was never even interviewed but disappeared from the scene!

You have just admitted to a real conspiracy - whatever statement you make debating its authenticity points the fingers to those who held this film for many years and chose not to let people see it in its entirety!   Who had a "copy" of it?  How many were made and how was it kept from being "leaked" out?

I will admit its authenticity must be questioned because of the modifications made to it.   That is why you have to ask who would want to modify and why was that necessary?   Z313, Z314 and look at Z335 where you see part of the President's head "erased" and blended in by a blouse.  You can't say the film wasn't modified.   Anyone that says that is lying!   As you said, overwhelming evidence that Jacqueline face and eyes were not covered in brain matter, blood spatter from the Z313/Z314 supposed "plume shots with explosive bullets is not there.    The reason it wasn't there is because it didn't happen that way!   If you look at the film without looking at individual slides, you will miss the modifications made.   Playing the film back, you don't see any problems with the storyline as it happens so fast!   Nelly Connally even goes so far to say that Jacqueline Kennedy had the President's brain in her hands if you watch her interview!     This film was modified.  If you admit that, you have to question why was it necessary if you are seeking the truth and why a coverup was necessary?

You can Not cherry pick. If the well has been poisoned, IT is poisoned. Once you agree that the Current Zapruder Film lacks credibility, you have cast doubt on the Entire film.

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2018, 06:07:40 AM »
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You can Not cherry pick. If the well has been poisoned, IT is poisoned. Once you agree that the Current Zapruder Film lacks credibility, you have cast doubt on the Entire film.

Cherry pick? Poisoned Well?  Not really!  The film's origin was authentic.  Abraham Zapruder filmed it and his position is well known and can be verified.    Someone modified it to support the story line and framing of the lone gunman LHO.  That is true and I agree 100%.   
 It is authentic and it was not a Hollywood Production done years later.   Some frames match the originals posted in the Life article.  Only ones that never had modification applied to them were used however!   The important ones like Z313 and on and the real kill shots were not part of the Life Magazine article.   I am sorry.   Therefore it can't be said that the film is not credible and crucial piece of evidence to solve the mystery.
   
No, the film is real and the lack of brain matter and blood spraying in Jacqueline's face is also real.   It never happened.  Frame Z313 shows a distinct line at the front of JFK's face going up at an angle and would be indicative of a shot coming from behind (although it looks like a ruler line).    If that didn't spray her with brain and blood matter, there was no bullet - plain and simple and it was drawn in!  In fact it doesn't look authentic!

Furthermore, dead men with a massive head shot like that shown on Z313, don't move back in their seat and raise their arm just prior to the real shots coming in.    Having no one report that move from any witness is also telling.   There are many theories that the shots came from the front and so the human blood and brain matter would exit out of the rear of the skull.   In this case, the front remains relatively clean.  This makes sense as to why Jacqueline is able to continue to observe her husband without being blinded.  Kennedy's move after being hit in the neck behind the sign many frames earlier means that he was maybe a little slow in reaction but still very conscious at Z322!  No, this film is very credible. 

Modifying or removing frames just means corrections were made to match the "frame job of LHO" and to keep the volley of bullets hitting the car coming only from the 6th floor TSBD building.    Withholding the release of the film, it further points the finger at someone not wanting it to be in the public domain and for good reason.    Modification points a finger at the Department of Justice and other internal organizations that are not accountable to Congress or Government.   After all why was the killing of a President investigated by a handpicked Warren Commission and not a Grand Jury?

Yes, there is a well that was poisoned but it is not the Zapruder Film!   It is the SYSTEM. That well is deep and involves a number of organizations that operate above the law, meddles and controls world affairs and the politics of other countries, start wars and keeps the governments in perpetual debt to it.   Like JFK, anyone that threatens it, is removed!  The Kennedy's and the likes of Trumps are not supposed to be in politics period as they interfere with the NWO.
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2018, 10:09:17 PM »
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Why wasn't the sunlight reflecting off of ANYTHING else on JFK?

> The brain matter was wet

As is your argument. Have a look at the spot of sunlight on Connally's forehead during that sequence in the Z film and note how it disappeared when he moved. Not the case with JFK because you think wet=sunlit. Right.

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #94 on: April 18, 2018, 10:21:38 PM »
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It does not disprove its' authenticity, it disproves the carefully scripted witnesses statements involved in the plot/scheme to assassinate the President.       You have just fallen into my hands.   Really, the FBI, CIA and Secret Service find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place.  You can't have the cake and eat it too!     They need to discredit the rest of the film but keep Z313/314 as they really need that for de facto evidence to complete the framing of a lone dead gunman LHO who did it all!

So in your opinion, you can't use the Z313/Z314 frames as they are not authentic.     How do you convict LHO?  These frames are produced as the infallible evidence used to convict LHO of a crime he didn't commit.    I would not go so far to say that he wasn't somehow involved, but I don't think he realized he was going to be killed for his sins in the plot!   We know that he must have had serious ties to his handlers as he had trips to Russia and Cuba that must have been funded by someone!    Those 2 slides collaborate the evidence of finding a sniper rifle in the sniper's nest in TSBD building!   A few frames were released at the time showing this to the WC but the bulk of the  film wasn't released for 10 years into the public domain.    The public cried for some pictures so some had to come out!   Why do you suppose this was done?    By saying what you have stated in your statement, you are admitting someone had wrongfully used this film as the concrete evidence to convict LHO.     What was the purpose of not letting the American Public see this film at the time?    The cameraman who took the pictures of the TBSD window, bus, theater and others entered as evidence is just too coincidental to have been real.   He was never even interviewed but disappeared from the scene!

You have just admitted to a real conspiracy - whatever statement you make debating its authenticity points the fingers to those who held this film for many years and chose not to let people see it in its entirety!   Who had a "copy" of it?  How many were made and how was it kept from being "leaked" out?

I will admit its authenticity must be questioned because of the modifications made to it.   That is why you have to ask who would want to modify and why was that necessary?   Z313, Z314 and look at Z335 where you see part of the President's head "erased" and blended in by a blouse.  You can't say the film wasn't modified.   Anyone that says that is lying!   As you said, overwhelming evidence that Jacqueline face and eyes were not covered in brain matter, blood spatter from the Z313/Z314 supposed "plume shots with explosive bullets is not there.    The reason it wasn't there is because it didn't happen that way!   If you look at the film without looking at individual slides, you will miss the modifications made.   Playing the film back, you don't see any problems with the storyline as it happens so fast!   Nelly Connally even goes so far to say that Jacqueline Kennedy had the President's brain in her hands if you watch her interview!     This film was modified.  If you admit that, you have to question why was it necessary if you are seeking the truth and why a coverup was necessary?

You only have to ask yourself 1 question. Where is the original Z film? Life and Z got copies. There are at least 2 obvious splices in the copies, which can only mean 1 thing: The FBI conspired to edit the film to "scrub" out any contradictions to the LN narrative. Otherwise, why else would the FBI hide the original film? And where the hell is it?

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
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« Reply #95 on: April 19, 2018, 12:49:31 AM »
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You only have to ask yourself 1 question. Where is the original Z film? Life and Z got copies. There are at least 2 obvious splices in the copies, which can only mean 1 thing: The FBI conspired to edit the film to "scrub" out any contradictions to the LN narrative. Otherwise, why else would the FBI hide the original film? And where the hell is it?

    There are Many issues with the Current Zapruder Film. The most obvious being the Start/Stop/Start sequence at the beginning of the film, and the Sudden appearance of the JFK Limo after having completed the turn onto Elm & now in transit down Elm St.  By No coincidence, this Missing JFK Limo footage would also have included the Records Building in the background.   



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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #96 on: April 19, 2018, 02:28:26 AM »
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Cherry pick? Poisoned Well?  Not really!  The film's origin was authentic.  Abraham Zapruder filmed it and his position is well known and can be verified.    Someone modified it to support the story line and framing of the lone gunman LHO.  That is true and I agree 100%.   
 It is authentic and it was not a Hollywood Production done years later.   Some frames match the originals posted in the Life article.  Only ones that never had modification applied to them were used however!   The important ones like Z313 and on and the real kill shots were not part of the Life Magazine article.   I am sorry.   Therefore it can't be said that the film is not credible and crucial piece of evidence to solve the mystery.
   
No, the film is real and the lack of brain matter and blood spraying in Jacqueline's face is also real.   It never happened.  Frame Z313 shows a distinct line at the front of JFK's face going up at an angle and would be indicative of a shot coming from behind (although it looks like a ruler line).    If that didn't spray her with brain and blood matter, there was no bullet - plain and simple and it was drawn in!  In fact it doesn't look authentic!

Furthermore, dead men with a massive head shot like that shown on Z313, don't move back in their seat and raise their arm just prior to the real shots coming in.    Having no one report that move from any witness is also telling.   There are many theories that the shots came from the front and so the human blood and brain matter would exit out of the rear of the skull.   In this case, the front remains relatively clean.  This makes sense as to why Jacqueline is able to continue to observe her husband without being blinded.  Kennedy's move after being hit in the neck behind the sign many frames earlier means that he was maybe a little slow in reaction but still very conscious at Z322!  No, this film is very credible. 

Modifying or removing frames just means corrections were made to match the "frame job of LHO" and to keep the volley of bullets hitting the car coming only from the 6th floor TSBD building.    Withholding the release of the film, it further points the finger at someone not wanting it to be in the public domain and for good reason.    Modification points a finger at the Department of Justice and other internal organizations that are not accountable to Congress or Government.   After all why was the killing of a President investigated by a handpicked Warren Commission and not a Grand Jury?

Yes, there is a well that was poisoned but it is not the Zapruder Film!   It is the SYSTEM. That well is deep and involves a number of organizations that operate above the law, meddles and controls world affairs and the politics of other countries, start wars and keeps the governments in perpetual debt to it.   Like JFK, anyone that threatens it, is removed!  The Kennedy's and the likes of Trumps are not supposed to be in politics period as they interfere with the NWO.

The left side of JFK's brain was virtually undamaged as I understand it. The injury was referred to, in some quarters, as a shattering-type wound, partially blowing out the right side and top of the head, apparently. Clearly seen in Zap. This, arguably, explains why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash.
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #97 on: April 19, 2018, 07:48:43 AM »
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The left side of JFK's brain was virtually undamaged as I understand it. The injury was a referred in some quarters a shattering type, partially blowing out the right side and top of the head, apparently. Clearly seen in Zap. This, arguably, explains why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash.

Look at the facts once more:

1) The plume visible in Z313 at an angle distributed 6 feet above the car clearly shows an incredible and unavoidable mist at the front of his head.  The view of her face is blocked by the spray.
2) The car movement forwards would also help scatter this on her face.  It is shown in Z313 as a massive cloud which would have had to have distributed itself!
3)  The reports of motorcycle policemen passing behind on Jacqueline's side also reported being struck with body tissue (6 to 8 feet away)
4)  Jacqueline's distance a mere 12 to 18 inch distance without even a flinch in the film sequence just following Z313  pretty much dismisses a right side blowout coming from the TBSD (up and behind) and staying on his side of the car!  Her face was facing his direction too!
5)  She has no reaction until after Z329/Z330 upon which time she notices something very much has happened and that unusually matches the red blur masking the President's entire head!  As I said earlier,  JFK's face goes from white to that of dark red. (Just after you see the massive windshield glass shatter reflected in the light.    Clint Hill is in ducking motion and out of way by Z322 to avoid being hit.   
6) The mere fact that JFK goes back in his seat and raises his right arm is too coincidental with Clint Hill ducking and going forward at the very same instant.   If there was hard braking of vehicle, you could say Clint Hill lurched forward as a result.  However that motion is exact opposite to a supposed limp Kennedy's reaction.  Weakened by an earlier visible neck shot when he stops wavings and places his hands near his neck, he reacts in the exact opposite Clint Hill!

Bullets from the front explain rather nicely why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash, please and thank you!   You would be foolish to think that an explosive round such as that exhibited in Z313/Z314 complete with a lingering mist in those frames could miss Jacqueline's face.  There was lack of expression change just after Z313 as well but before Z329 indicating nothing has changed other than her trying to figure out where he was injured in the neck shot.    Could we not draw a conclusion that inbound bullets never occurred there?  Remember that is evidence only required to frame LHO and make it look like the shots came from behind!

You can't help but see the expression change in Z335 when she decides to leave the car - wondering if she is going to survive!  Her clean face with eyes getting very large and in shock - no indication of splatter and there are some very clear Zapruder frames in this area.  Look closely at Z335 and you can see Jacqueline's left shoulder in the frame, see the position of Kennedy's ear and absolutely nothing in front of it.  It sure looks like an edited picture to me!  His head is cut off!   Kind of a "wet" gold nugget (sunlight reflection of course) below Jacqueline's clearly visible shoulder.  If that frame wasn't edited, Kennedy had no head at all from the ear forward to try to save at hospital or to even take a picture at a morgue.   It was edited out of the picture obviously as you can't reconstruct that big of a mess and end up with a head later on for a funeral!   That was a rather serious edit on that particular frame!

You couple that with the man coming from the front of the car (some would like to call him Macolm Summers) having his head totally scratched out of the frame on Lightbox Z347 (intentionally obliterated???) leads a conspiracist to question that maybe this man who rolls into the grass has more to do with a windshield  shot than meets the eye and is a key character in the assassination scene!    At frames z363 the family with the small child remains virtually motionless and emotionless - that is unexplained!   Why is there only one massive reaction (movement done by  one guy rolling across from the front of the car -  my assumption) while everyone else close remains motionless in the pictures?  You would have thought the next couple with the child would have some reaction after hearing gun shots and seeing a man rolling in the grass.  Wouldn't  the child be covering his face in horror?  Instead no responses.  They missed looking over and seeing the guy beside them running and rolling?

Again,  Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine.   Who would think that a shot taking out his entire front of head at Z313 would cause his head to move back in the seat (about a foot) against the bullet flow and at the same time causing him to raise his right arm up.  That looks like a pure defensive move to me!   Tie it together and you have a very close frontal shot, no splatter on any occupant's in the car and a dead President!  No one else hurt! 

Of course, no eye witnesses observed or ever recorded that very obvious head movement and arm lifting visible in the Zapruder Frames!  Maybe it was all masked by the cloud of misty vapor?   I would guess it was a well executed script to thwart out the possibility of having to deal with more than just one lone gunman who was killed before he could talk and proclaim his innocence.  Yes, it had to be a deranged nut with no motive at all!
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
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Look at the facts once more:

1) The plume visible in Z313 at an angle distributed 6 feet above the car clearly shows an incredible and unavoidable mist at the front of his head.  The view of her face is blocked by the spray.
2) The car movement forwards would also help scatter this on her face.  It is shown in Z313 as a massive cloud which would have had to have distributed itself!
3)  The reports of motorcycle policemen passing behind on Jacqueline's side also reported being struck with body tissue (6 to 8 feet away)
4)  Jacqueline's distance a mere 12 to 18 inch distance without even a flinch in the film sequence just following Z313  pretty much dismisses a right side blowout coming from the TBSD (up and behind) and staying on his side of the car!  Her face was facing his direction too!
5)  She has no reaction until after Z329/Z330 upon which time she notices something very much has happened and that unusually matches the red blur masking the President's entire head!  As I said earlier,  JFK's face goes from white to that of dark red. (Just after you see the massive windshield glass shatter reflected in the light.    Clint Hill is in ducking motion and out of way by Z322 to avoid being hit.   
6) The mere fact that JFK goes back in his seat and raises his right arm is too coincidental with Clint Hill ducking and going forward at the very same instant.   If there was hard braking of vehicle, you could say Clint Hill lurched forward as a result.  However that motion is exact opposite to a supposed limp Kennedy's reaction.  Weakened by an earlier visible neck shot when he stops wavings and places his hands near his neck, he reacts in the exact opposite Clint Hill!

Bullets from the front explain rather nicely why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash, please and thank you!   You would be foolish to think that an explosive round such as that exhibited in Z313/Z314 complete with a lingering mist in those frames could miss Jacqueline's face.  There was lack of expression change just after Z313 as well but before Z329 indicating nothing has changed other than her trying to figure out where he was injured in the neck shot.    Could we not draw a conclusion that inbound bullets never occurred there?  Remember that is evidence only required to frame LHO and make it look like the shots came from behind!

You can't help but see the expression change in Z335 when she decides to leave the car - wondering if she is going to survive!  Her clean face with eyes getting very large and in shock - no indication of splatter and there are some very clear Zapruder frames in this area.  Look closely at Z335 and you can see Jacqueline's left shoulder in the frame, see the position of Kennedy's ear and absolutely nothing in front of it.  It sure looks like an edited picture to me!  His head is cut off!   Kind of a "wet" gold nugget (sunlight reflection of course) below Jacqueline's clearly visible shoulder.  If that frame wasn't edited, Kennedy had no head at all from the ear forward to try to save at hospital or to even take a picture at a morgue.   It was edited out of the picture obviously as you can't reconstruct that big of a mess and end up with a head later on for a funeral!   That was a rather serious edit on that particular frame!

You couple that with the man coming from the front of the car (some would like to call him Macolm Summers) having his head totally scratched out of the frame on Lightbox Z347 (intentionally obliterated???) leads a conspiracist to question that maybe this man who rolls into the grass has more to do with a windshield  shot than meets the eye and is a key character in the assassination scene!    At frames z363 the family with the small child remains virtually motionless and emotionless - that is unexplained!   Why is there only one massive reaction (movement done by  one guy rolling across from the front of the car -  my assumption) while everyone else close remains motionless in the pictures?  You would have thought the next couple with the child would have some reaction after hearing gun shots and seeing a man rolling in the grass.  Wouldn't  the child be covering his face in horror?  Instead no responses.  They missed looking over and seeing the guy beside them running and rolling?

Again,  Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine.   Who would think that a shot taking out his entire front of head at Z313 would cause his head to move back in the seat (about a foot) against the bullet flow and at the same time causing him to raise his right arm up.  That looks like a pure defensive move to me!   Tie it together and you have a very close frontal shot, no splatter on any occupant's in the car and a dead President!  No one else hurt! 

Of course, no eye witnesses observed or ever recorded that very obvious head movement and arm lifting visible in the Zapruder Frames!  Maybe it was all masked by the cloud of misty vapor?   I would guess it was a well executed script to thwart out the possibility of having to deal with more than just one lone gunman who was killed before he could talk and proclaim his innocence.  Yes, it had to be a deranged nut with no motive at all!

Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine

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