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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2018, 07:13:43 PM »
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You've convinced me John.
I was mistaken.
And your right, that cloud coming out of JFK's head could be anything.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Take care.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?  You wouldn't know there was "a halo of blood and brain matter" from just looking at Muchmore.  Not unless you have a much better copy of Muchmore than the one you actually posted.

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2018, 07:17:25 PM »
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Can you site a single Ballistic Expert, one who does real world tests of bullets with ballistic gel who holds any of these opinions of yours about “fireballs”, bullets held in cloth pockets for several minutes which fail to retain blood traces or DNA? [/b]

Can you cite how you determined that CE399 ever went through Kennedy or Connally?

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2018, 07:21:57 PM »
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It's obviously blood and brain matter.

We know this from the other evidence.

If we're going to look at every single piece of evidence in isolation, removed from the other evidence, then you're going to wind up nowhere.

Which is where John Iacolletti is. Contrarian nowhere land.

Then you're completely missing the point.  Steve said that the Muchmore film "shows the exact same headshot".  You can't prove that by looking at "other evidence" -- that's just a circular argument.  The Muchmore film shows what it shows, which isn't much detail.  You can't claim that the films are in sync by just assuming that the films are in sync.

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2018, 06:57:31 PM »
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There is no fireball.

The entrance wound was on the back of the head and the exit wound, along with the much larger explosive wound, was on the right side of the head. As expected from a shot from the TSBD, with JFK’s head turned significantly to the left at z312.

Question:

Can you site a single Ballistic Expert, one who does real world tests of bullets with ballistic gel who holds any of these opinions of yours about “fireballs”, bullets held in cloth pockets for several minutes which fail to retain blood traces or DNA?


Sorry, but there isn't a straight line path from the TSBD to the head shot as you describe it. If you contend that a FMJ bullet entered the back of JFK's head and exited his right temple, blasting out the right side of his skull, then use my laser experiment to show that it was possible. Providing you are even interested in the truth. Just ask dufus Myttonhead, because he must have done my laser exp and choked on the results, which is why he has STFU lately.

You don't need to be an expert to use logic and common sense. When does a FMJ bullet create an explosion when it strikes anything non-combustible? FMJ bullets don't explode, ever. So if you see "light" or a "flash" or the skull explodes then this was NOT a FMJ bullet, it must have been a frangible bullet.

Are you serial re the bullet not retaining DNA after it was in a cloth pocket? And exactly why was it in a cloth pocket and not a plastic bag? Was that standard forensic protocol? Then ask yourself why you're ok with Cappy Fritz picking up evidence with his bare hands and putting it in his pocket? Why isn't that either a conspiracy or insanity?

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2018, 11:42:09 PM »
You Tube --- The Zapruder film mystery >> Doug Horne interviews legendary NPIC photo Interpreter Dino Brugioni who viewed the film and worked on the film to put 12 to 15 prints(frames) on two briefing boards . This interview tells of a different set of "4" briefing boards that were done at the same NPIC later on Sunday and ended early Monday Morning the day of JFK's funeral . Dino Brugioni and his help did their work on the Zapruder film starting on late Saturday evening and they ended up being finished early Sunday morning. This is a very important interview with Horne and Brugioni . You will be glad that you watched this 85 minute interview .

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2018, 11:55:04 AM »
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The Muchmore film shows what it shows, which isn't much detail. 

*Edited/selected parts from your quote*

Depends which Muchmore you're viewing at the time.





Groden appears to own a copy of the Muchmore film that is: 1) uncropped (or at least conveniently cropped just above the fence line) 2) revealing an orange blob at the end of the wall 3) a blue blob at the end of the wall  4) showing greater detail above the end of the wall!

When embossed the orange blob appears to have a face and a hat. Just sayingggg.

Has anyone at this forum ever seen the complete uncropped Muchmore film in its entirety? I doubt it. Good look trying to find one too.
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2018, 03:59:57 PM »

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Sorry, but there isn't a straight line path from the TSBD to the head shot as you describe it. If you contend that a FMJ bullet entered the back of JFK's head and exited his right temple, blasting out the right side of his skull, then use my laser experiment to show that it was possible. Providing you are even interested in the truth. Just ask dufus Myttonhead, because he must have done my laser exp and choked on the results, which is why he has STFU lately.

You don't need to be an expert to use logic and common sense. When does a FMJ bullet create an explosion when it strikes anything non-combustible? FMJ bullets don't explode, ever. So if you see "light" or a "flash" or the skull explodes then this was NOT a FMJ bullet, it must have been a frangible bullet.

Are you serial re the bullet not retaining DNA after it was in a cloth pocket? And exactly why was it in a cloth pocket and not a plastic bag? Was that standard forensic protocol? Then ask yourself why you're ok with Cappy Fritz picking up evidence with his bare hands and putting it in his pocket? Why isn't that either a conspiracy or insanity?



Questions:

Give me the name of just one ballistic expert who agrees with this?

If all of the ballistic experts in the United States are under control of this massive secret conspiracy, give me the name of one outside the United States.

If you can’t give me a such a reference, have you fired at skulls fired with animal brains or some jelly to confirm that FMJ bullets do not cause skulls to “explode”? Or is this just an armchair conclusion you have drawn?




Ballistic experts, who have done real world experiments with bone, skulls, ballistic gel, etc. all conclude that FMJ bullets can and do cause explosive head wounds.



I suspect you won’t answer my questions, but if you did give an honest answer, I think it would be something like this:


No. I can’t give a reference to an American ballistic expert who agrees with this. Because the conspiracy is large.

No. I can’t give a reference to any ballistic expert in the entire world who agrees with this. Because the conspiracy is really massive.

No. I have not done any such experiments with FMJ bullets, bones and ballistic gel. Nor is there any need to do so. Because my armchair reasoning is so good I don’t have to run any real-world experiments to find out what happens when a 1400 mph FMJ bullet strikes a skull.






And by the way, I don’t see any “light” or “flash” in any of the Zapruder frames. Just the sunlight reflecting off of bloody tissue.

Here’s a clue. If you see a bright point of light in just one frame, much brighter than any you see in the other frames, that might be some sort of explosion. If you see it in multiple frames, it isn’t multiple explosive bullets flashing in different frames. It’s the reflection of sunlight off of bloody tissues.

And here’s another clue. If a head is struck by an explosive bullet, you don’t see a flash. Because the explosion takes place inside the skull. You can’t see it. Unless the ‘bullet’ is a bazooka shell.

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2018, 06:20:04 PM »
Remember, the eyewitnesses - Brennan, Markham, Brewer, Postal et al. - lied. All just flat out made up their stories.

And the physical evidence is not believable. The fingerprints are not believable, handwriting experts are wrong, the photographic experts are wrong, the forensic experts are wrong, the ballistics experts are wrong.

And circumstantial evidence is meaningless. Lots of men leave their wedding rings behind. And nearly all of their money. Men who work in the building where people saw a gunman fire? Men who have expressed deep hatred of the US? Men with radical views? Men who left the building three minutes after the shooting? Men who....well, never mind we're not supposed to consider other evidence; we just look at each piece individually.

But remember: they're here to discuss the evidence with you. Honest.

And he's not a conspiracy believer. You're just making unfair assumptions.
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2018, 12:59:47 AM »
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Remember, the eyewitnesses - Brennan, Markham, Brewer, Postal et al. - lied. All just flat out made up their stories.

And the physical evidence is not believable. The fingerprints are not believable, handwriting experts are wrong, the photographic experts are wrong, the forensic experts are wrong, the ballistics experts are wrong.

And circumstantial evidence is meaningless. Lots of men leave their wedding rings behind. And nearly all of their money. Men who work in the building where people saw a gunman fire? Men who have expressed deep hatred of the US? Men with radical views? Men who left the building three minutes after the shooting? Men who....well, never mind we're not supposed to consider other evidence; we just look at each piece individually.

But remember: they're here to discuss the evidence with you. Honest.

And he's not a conspiracy believer. You're just making unfair assumptions.

Now that you've gotten that gigantic strawman off your chest, do you feel better?

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2018, 01:30:16 AM »
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Questions:

Give me the name of just one ballistic expert who agrees with this?

Name me just one ballistic expert who disagrees with this?

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If all of the ballistic experts in the United States are under control of this massive secret conspiracy, give me the name of one outside the United States.

WTF are you talking about?

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If you can’t give me a such a reference, have you fired at skulls fired with animal brains or some jelly to confirm that FMJ bullets do not cause skulls to “explode”? Or is this just an armchair conclusion you have drawn? [/b]

Just use some common sense and logic, which you are struggling with to refute me.

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Ballistic experts, who have done real world experiments with bone, skulls, ballistic gel, etc. all conclude that FMJ bullets can and do cause explosive head wounds.

Blow-outs yes, explosions no.

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I suspect you won’t answer my questions, but if you did give an honest answer, I think it would be something like this:

yadayadayada

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And by the way, I don’t see any “light” or “flash” in any of the Zapruder frames. Just the sunlight reflecting off of bloody tissue.

Why wasn't the sunlight reflecting off of ANYTHING else on JFK? Sorry, this was NOT sunlight.

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Here’s a clue. If you see a bright point of light in just one frame, much brighter than any you see in the other frames, that might be some sort of explosion. If you see it in multiple frames, it isn’t multiple explosive bullets flashing in different frames. It’s the reflection of sunlight off of bloody tissues.

If you say so. What ballistic expert agrees with you? Waiting...

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And here’s another clue. If a head is struck by an explosive bullet, you don’t see a flash. Because the explosion takes place inside the skull. You can’t see it. Unless the ‘bullet’ is a bazooka shell.

Or the frangible bullet blows out a hole in the side of JFK's head, which couldn't possibly be an exit wound if the shot came from the TSBD. Otherwise show the trajectory. Waiting...

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Re: How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2018, 01:30:16 AM »