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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2019, 11:25:05 PM »
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Mr. BALL. Did you put any markings on the hulls?
Mr. POE. I couldn't swear to it; no, sir.


Poe was not a liar.

According to Bill Brown, "Poe said that the shells had been obliterated with markings by himself".  If he knew he didn't mark the shells as Leavelle indicates then Poe was a liar (and/or Leavelle was).

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 03:13:09 AM »
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There's no reason to think that Q-75 was picked up by Virginia Davis either.

Actually, there is.

<a href="You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login">What reason is there to think that Q-75 was not picked up by Virginia Davis?</a> Other than it's just not convenient for you?


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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 03:14:50 AM »
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According to Bill Brown, "Poe said that the shells had been obliterated with markings by himself".  If he knew he didn't mark the shells as Leavelle indicates then Poe was a liar (and/or Leavelle was).

That's not accurate. Leavelle said that Poe told him that he didn't remember marking the shells. When Poe talked with Dale Myers in 1996, he thought that he may have marked them but that he couldn't be sure because if he had marked the shells then his initials had been obliterated by marks that had been added after his own. ?There were so many scratches in there you couldn?t tell,...the Crime Scene Search Section put their mark. They were turned into the FBI and they put their mark. The lab put their mark. So, I couldn?t tell mine.?

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 03:14:50 AM »

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 11:02:48 PM »
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Actually, there is.

"Dhority supposedly told Odum so" is your good reason?

Unfortunately, Dhority had no first hand knowledge where the shell he identified was even found.

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2019, 11:42:18 PM »
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"Dhority supposedly told Odum so" is your good reason?

Unfortunately, Dhority had no first hand knowledge where the shell he identified was even found.

Nope. Dhority was shown the shell casing by Bardwell Odum and he positively identified it as the one that he obtained form Virginia Davis on Nov 22, 1963. 

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2019, 11:42:18 PM »

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2019, 11:54:51 PM »
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Nope. Dhority was shown the shell casing by Bardwell Odum and he positively identified it as the one that he obtained form Virginia Davis on Nov 22, 1963.

What do you mean, "nope"?  All you're doing is just restating the claim.

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2019, 12:06:31 AM »
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What do you mean, "nope"?  All you're doing is just restating the claim.

I'm giving you the fact as it is recorded in an official FBI document. That document does not say that "Dhority supposedly told Odum".

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2019, 12:06:31 AM »

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 04:36:43 PM »
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I'm giving you the fact as it is recorded in an official FBI document. That document does not say that "Dhority supposedly told Odum".

Being written in an "official FBI document" doesn't confer any special truth to the claim.

That's indeed what the document says.  Some anonymous author claims that Dhority told Odum something.  Was this ever confirmed by Dhority, Odum, or Davis?

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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 04:36:43 PM »

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 10:41:48 PM »
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No, that's not justice really. Or my definition of it. Oswald deserved a trial; just because he didn't believe in the rule of law, just because he rejected our ideas of democracy (remember he wrote that the US economic and political systems were "slave" systems), doesn't mean we should too.

In any case, I think a trial would have answered most of these questions that people have. He would have revealed himself to what he really was: an angry disaffected person. I think he'd use the trial to put the US system on trial; he wanted the communist lawyer John Abt for that very specific reason. To be sure the conspiracy crowd - elements of them - would still believe in his innocence. If he was sitting on their laps as he shot JFK they'd deny it was him. We know the type. They have an almost emotional attachment to the guy; notice they call him "Lee" and "poor old Lee"? Very odd.

I agree that even lowlifes like Oswald deserve their day in court but can you imagine what would have happened if Oswald's trial had turned out like that of Jack Ruby! I mean, it couldn't be any plainer who hot Oswald and even his guilty verdict was overturned on appeal due to technicalities.

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Re: Did Poe Mark The Shells?
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2019, 09:49:21 AM »
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Being written in an "official FBI document" doesn't confer any special truth to the claim.

That's indeed what the document says.  Some anonymous author claims that Dhority told Odum something.  Was this ever confirmed by Dhority, Odum, or Davis?

Once again the mysterious CE2011 is used to "support" a claim that can not be supported in any other way. How convenient?...


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