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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2019, 09:36:03 PM »
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How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?

Excellent question.....  And personally I seriously doubt that the Hidell ID was in Lee's wallet on Friday 11/22/63......

LOL.  The Hidell IDs form the basis of your OP premise that the DPD would have been delayed in determining Oswald's identity.  And therefore could have not have provided his name to Hoover/FBI prior to Hoover making reference to him.  Whew.  If the Hidell IDs were not in the wallet, then there would be no reason for the DPD not know Oswald's identity from the time they checked his wallet just after his arrest at 1:50.  So you have to make a decision here - either the Hidell IDs were in the wallet (creating some ambiguity/delay as to his identity or they were not in which case there would no delay in identifying the suspect and providing that info to Hoover).

There is no doubt, however, that the Hidell IDs were in the wallet.  They are listed on the FBI report as items taken from his arrest wallet on Nov. 22.  In addition, there is the confirmation of those in the car who checked Oswald's wallet.

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2019, 09:36:03 PM »

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2019, 09:57:58 PM »
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LOL.  The Hidell IDs form the basis of your OP premise that the DPD would have been delayed in determining Oswald's identity.  And therefore could have not have provided his name to Hoover/FBI prior to Hoover making reference to him.  Whew.  If the Hidell IDs were not in the wallet, then there would be no reason for the DPD not know Oswald's identity from the time they checked his wallet just after his arrest at 1:50.  So you have to make a decision here - either the Hidell IDs were in the wallet (creating some ambiguity/delay as to his identity or they were not in which case there would no delay in identifying the suspect and providing that info to Hoover).

There is no doubt, however, that the Hidell IDs were in the wallet.  They are listed on the FBI report as items taken from his arrest wallet on Nov. 22.  In addition, there is the confirmation of those in the car who checked Oswald's wallet.

 The Hidell IDs form the basis of your OP premise that the DPD would have been delayed in determining Oswald's identity.

No, it does not..... I clearly said that Hoover at FBI headquarters in Wash. DC knew the identity of the man that the Dallas Police dragged from the Texas Theater before the police had established his identity.    I did say that Fritz asked him if he used an alias ....Fritz asked Lee about the AJ Hidell name on SATURDAY  11/23/63

If the Hidell card had been in Lee's wallet on Friday 11/22/63 Fritz would have asked about it because he did ask Lee if he used the name OH LEE......AND according to the FBI memo of James Bookhout for Saturday November 23rd ...

...quote...." Oswald declined to explain his possession of a photograph of a selective service card in the name of ALEK JAMES HIDELL"...unquote

So the first appearance of the name Hidell was on Saturday....  And Bookhout described the item as a PHOTOGRAPH of a selective service card.... And even a dimwit would know that a PHOTOGRAPH of a Selective service card is NOT an ID card anymore than a PHOTOGRAPH of a hundred dollar bill is legal tender.

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2019, 03:51:24 PM »
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The Hidell IDs form the basis of your OP premise that the DPD would have been delayed in determining Oswald's identity.

No, it does not..... I clearly said that Hoover at FBI headquarters in Wash. DC knew the identity of the man that the Dallas Police dragged from the Texas Theater before the police had established his identity.    I did say that Fritz asked him if he used an alias ....Fritz asked Lee about the AJ Hidell name on SATURDAY  11/23/63

If the Hidell card had been in Lee's wallet on Friday 11/22/63 Fritz would have asked about it because he did ask Lee if he used the name OH LEE......AND according to the FBI memo of James Bookhout for Saturday November 23rd ...

...quote...." Oswald declined to explain his possession of a photograph of a selective service card in the name of ALEK JAMES HIDELL"...unquote

So the first appearance of the name Hidell was on Saturday....  And Bookhout described the item as a PHOTOGRAPH of a selective service card.... And even a dimwit would know that a PHOTOGRAPH of a Selective service card is NOT an ID card anymore than a PHOTOGRAPH of a hundred dollar bill is legal tender.

The question is:....   How did J.Edgar Hoover know the identity of the man who was dragged from the Texas Theater BEFORE the police had determined his identity?

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Re: How'd He Do That?
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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2019, 04:32:44 PM »
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The question is:....   How did J.Edgar Hoover know the identity of the man who was dragged from the Texas Theater BEFORE the police had determined his identity?

He didn't.  Again, this is a false premise that you have failed to prove.

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2019, 04:39:47 PM »
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The Hidell IDs form the basis of your OP premise that the DPD would have been delayed in determining Oswald's identity.

No, it does not..... I clearly said that Hoover at FBI headquarters in Wash. DC knew the identity of the man that the Dallas Police dragged from the Texas Theater before the police had established his identity.    I did say that Fritz asked him if he used an alias ....Fritz asked Lee about the AJ Hidell name on SATURDAY  11/23/63

If the Hidell card had been in Lee's wallet on Friday 11/22/63 Fritz would have asked about it because he did ask Lee if he used the name OH LEE......AND according to the FBI memo of James Bookhout for Saturday November 23rd ...

...quote...." Oswald declined to explain his possession of a photograph of a selective service card in the name of ALEK JAMES HIDELL"...unquote

So the first appearance of the name Hidell was on Saturday....  And Bookhout described the item as a PHOTOGRAPH of a selective service card.... And even a dimwit would know that a PHOTOGRAPH of a Selective service card is NOT an ID card anymore than a PHOTOGRAPH of a hundred dollar bill is legal tender.

Whew.  Completely incoherent nonsense.  Try this.  If Oswald did not have the Hidell IDs in his wallet upon arrest, his only IDs would have been those in the name of LHO.  Right?  As a result, there would have been no possible confusion or ambiguity about his identity as of the moment the DPD examined the contents of his wallet in the car just after his arrest at about 1:50PM.  As a result, unless you can show that Hoover knew Oswald's identity prior to 1:50PM, then there is no basis to claim that Hoover had advanced knowledge of Oswald's identity.  Without the Hidell IDs in Oswald's wallet, it is impossible to make any such claim.  Previously, you had suggested that it took the DPD until 2:30PM or later to confirm Oswald's identity and that Hoover had mentioned his name prior to this.  That is erroneous as well, but if you are now contending there was no Hidell ID in Oswald's wallet, then your entire premise is DOA because the DPD would have confirmed his identity at about 1:50.

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2019, 04:39:47 PM »

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2019, 05:42:48 PM »
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At the time they swarmed the Texas Theater, there was no reason to suspect that this man had assassinated the president.

There wasn't even any reason to suspect that this man had shot Tippit.

At the time they swarmed the Texas Theater, there was no reason to suspect that this man had assassinated the president.

There wasn't even any reason to suspect that this man had shot Tippit.

Excellent point!....But it's obvious that the cops were determined that they were going to take Oswald....They knew that Oswald was their man...

You may recall that the police dismissed others because they weren't the man....  Recall the man who dashed into the Library....His actions were far more suspicious than Lee Oswald but they dismissed him ....and there were a couple of incudents near the TSBD in which the cops simply released the suspect .   But At the theater they grabbed Lee Oswald who was simply sitting in the theater and waiting for the movie to begin.

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2019, 10:49:22 PM »
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As that report clearly states, the list reflects the items contained in the wallet of Lee Harvey Oswald "at the time of his arrest, November 22, 1963."

Well, I guess if it's in an FBI report from 2 days later, written by a guy who didn't examine a wallet, then it must be true.

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Re: How'd He Do That?
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