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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2019, 05:27:18 PM »
Whew.  So much nonsense and falsehoods in one short post.  Here is the list of the contents of Oswald's wallet:  https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_1986.pdf

I only count 9.  Which of his 5 wallets was that though?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2019, 07:56:33 PM »
Whew.  So much nonsense and falsehoods in one short post.  Here is the list of the contents of Oswald's wallet:  https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_1986.pdf


The rest of your rambling nonsense is based on a false premise.  The sequence of events is that Oswald is identified (he has multiple IDs in his name, a co-worker confirms his identity, and Oswald confirms his name to CT Walker), an agent calls the Dallas FBI with that information ("shortly after 2"), Hosty recognizes Oswald's name, Dallas FBI then "immediately" inform FBI HQ of the suspect's name and that they have a file on him.  Hosty, as the agent in charge of Oswald's file, is then understandably dispatched to attend his interrogation.  There is no mystery there.

Errrr.... Mr "Smith"....Perhaps you should take a refresher course in elementary arithmetic....basic counting.....Because either you can't count ...or you're a teller of non truths....

This list shows Seven ( 7 ) ID cards that have the name Lee Oswald ( or the initials LH Oswald)  written on them.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_1986.pdf

The sequence of events is that Oswald is identified (he has multiple IDs in his name, a co-worker confirms his identity, and Oswald confirms his name to CT Walker), an agent calls the Dallas FBI with that information ("shortly after 2"), Hosty recognizes Oswald's name, Dallas FBI then "immediately" inform FBI HQ of the suspect's name and that they have a file on him.  Hosty, as the agent in charge of Oswald's file, is then understandably dispatched to attend his interrogation.

On page 16 of the book  Assignment : Oswald  Written by FBI Agent James Hosty.... ( You may recall that Hosty was in the thick of it)

Hosty wrote....TIME 2:15 P. M.    "A hand clutched my elbow. I spun, Howe was in my face.  "They've just arrested a guy named Lee Oswald, and they're booking him for the killing of the policeman over in Oak Cliff.   Officer's name was Tippit."   Hosty said that Shanklin was still on on the phone with Alan Belmont at FBI Headquarters in Washington DC. who had told Shanklin that Oswald had been arrested by the DPD, and Shanklin was ordered to send HOSTY over to the DPD.

Since Howe told Hosty that Oswald had been arrested for shooting JD Tippit ( which was NOT under FBI jurisdiction)  that information had to have been received by Shanklin in Dallas from FBI headquarters in Wash DC at no later than 2:10 and about five minutes prior to Howe telling Hosty that Lee Oswald had been arrested. 


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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2019, 08:43:43 PM »
Errrr.... Mr "Smith"....Perhaps you should take a refresher course in elementary arithmetic....basic counting.....Because either you can't count ...or you're a teller of non truths....

This list shows Seven ( 7 ) ID cards that have the name Lee Oswald ( or the initials LH Oswald)  written on them.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_1986.pdf



Wrong again.  How do you get seven from that list?  There are nine IDs in Oswald's name on that list (#1-5, 8-9, and 14-15).  My recollection from Dale Myers' book is that there were ten.  I'll take a look again to confirm but does it really matter whether Oswald had nine or ten IDs in his own name for purposes of the DPD confirming his identity?  Oswald had multiple IDs in his own name upon arrest.  His co-workers were also present when Oswald was brought in and Shelley confirmed his identity as LHO at time.  In addition, Oswald confirmed his identity to CT Walker.  As a result, his identity was quickly ascertained. 

The only possible source of any confusion are the two IDs in the Hidell name.  But many CTers dispute those as being his - right?  They contend these were planted by nefarious conspirators and the DPD had to be complicit in that frame up since they controlled the evidence/arrest wallet in which they were found.  So if the Hidell IDs were planted in Oswald's arrest wallet taken from his pocket, as some CTers fantasize, the DPD would have no reason to be confused about his actual identity.  Oswald was the guy they were framing if they planted the Hidell IDs on him. Are you acknowledging that Oswald used the Hidell alias and that the fake Hidell IDs in his wallet belonged to him and were not planted?  The same alias used to buy the MC rifle.  The alias he denied any knowledge of.  I wonder why he would do that?  Interesting. 

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2019, 08:57:36 PM »
Wrong again.  How do you get seven from that list?  There are nine IDs in Oswald's name on that list (#1-5, 8-9, and 14-15).  My recollection from Dale Myers' book is that there were ten.  I'll take a look again to confirm but does it really matter whether Oswald had nine or ten IDs in his own name for purposes of the DPD confirming his identity?  Oswald had multiple IDs in his own name upon arrest.  His co-workers were also present when Oswald was brought in and Shelley confirmed his identity as LHO at time.  In addition, Oswald confirmed his identity to CT Walker.  As a result, his identity was quickly ascertained. 

The only possible source of any confusion are the two IDs in the Hidell name.  But many CTers dispute those as being his - right?  They contend these were planted by nefarious conspirators and the DPD had to be complicit in that frame up since they controlled the evidence/arrest wallet in which they were found.  So if the Hidell IDs were planted in Oswald's arrest wallet taken from his pocket, as some CTers fantasize, the DPD would have no reason to be confused about his actual identity.  Oswald was the guy they were framing if they planted the Hidell IDs on him. Are you acknowledging that Oswald used the Hidell alias and that the fake Hidell IDs in his wallet belonged to him and were not planted?  The same alias used to buy the MC rifle.  The alias he denied any knowledge of.  I wonder why he would do that?  Interesting.

does it really matter whether Oswald had nine or ten IDs in his own name for purposes of the DPD confirming his identity?

You're the one who posted the diversion ......Because the crux of my post has nothing to do with how many Id's may have been in Lee's wallet....

My post was focused on HOW did FBI headquarters in Washington DC  know the identity of the man who had been dragged from the theater BEFORE the Dallas police knew his identity???

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2019, 08:58:56 PM »
"Richard" --

a) When did anybody in the police ever say anything on 11/22 about being confused about his identity?

b) How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?  Because 2 days later, Fritz had some photos of things that were not in a wallet?
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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2019, 09:54:54 PM »
"Richard" --

a) When did anybody in the police ever say anything on 11/22 about being confused about his identity?

b) How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?  Because 2 days later, Fritz had some photos of things that were not in a wallet?

How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?  Because 2 days later, Fritz had some photos of things that were not in a wallet?

Mr "Smith" is attempting to employ the list of ID's in Lee's wallet that was reported by FBI Agent Manning C. Clements on Saturday the 23rd of November. ( see WR page 614)

We have no way of knowing which ID's were in Lee's wallet at the time of his arrest.
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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2019, 01:31:30 AM »
How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?  Because 2 days later, Fritz had some photos of things that were not in a wallet?

Mr "Smith" is attempting to employ the list of ID's in Lee's wallet that was reported by FBI Agent Manning C. Clements on Saturday the 23rd of November. ( see WR page 614)

We have no way of knowing which ID's were in Lee's wallet at the time of his arrest.

As that report clearly states, the list reflects the items contained in the wallet of Lee Harvey Oswald "at the time of his arrest, November 22, 1963."  I'm not sure why Dishonest John is babbling about other wallets or that the photographs of the items were sent to the FBI on Nov. 24.  What difference does that make?  The items from Oswald's arrest wallet were removed and photographed.  Those photographs were sent to the FBI two days later.  How does that cast any doubt on the contents of the wallet?  How else could this be documented?  Absent a time machine, what you and Dishonest John are suggesting is that nothing could ever be proven because it can be rebutted by the mere baseless and unsupported allegation that it could have been faked.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_1986.pdf


 

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2019, 02:02:11 AM »
As that report clearly states, the list reflects the items contained in the wallet of Lee Harvey Oswald "at the time of his arrest, November 22, 1963."  https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_1986.pdf
All that stuff and no money? Nothing torn in half?

 

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Re: How'd He Do That?
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2019, 03:11:03 PM »
All that stuff and no money? Nothing torn in half?

There was a KEY......

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2019, 06:36:39 PM »
"Richard" --

a) When did anybody in the police ever say anything on 11/22 about being confused about his identity?

b) How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?  Because 2 days later, Fritz had some photos of things that were not in a wallet?

 How do you know the Hidell ID was ever in Oswald's arrest wallet?

Excellent question.....  And personally I seriously doubt that the Hidell ID was in Lee's wallet on Friday 11/22/63......