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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #160 on: February 05, 2019, 06:50:10 PM »
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In one account I've read (offhand I can't find it) Sylvia said she told her father, Amador, about the incident and related how the individuals said they knew him (the individuals said they were members of JURE, a socialist/leftist anti-Castro group). He denied knowing them. She also said they gave details that her father said were only known to him or to the Cuban agents who had tortured him into revealing. Amador and his wife, Sylvia's parents, had been arrested for being connected to one of the plots to kill Castro (it was the "bazooka" plot that involved Antonio Veciana).

If true then how did these individuals know about Amador and his activity IF he had only revealed them to Cuban agents? If the meeting happened; and if Sylvia's account is true. Lots of "ifs" in this story.

If true then how did these individuals know about Amador and his activity IF he had only revealed them to Cuban agents?


I do believe that you've answered your own question....  The men were Castro's agents.....   

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« Reply #161 on: February 05, 2019, 11:21:30 PM »
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The fact that she had a sister named Annie is corroboration of her claim?? ??? Or did Annie say something that corroborated her claim? If so, what?

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

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« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2019, 11:24:25 PM »
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Are you deliberately being obtuse?

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No,..... Obtuseness comes naturally to Tim.....

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« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2019, 11:24:25 PM »

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #163 on: February 06, 2019, 12:01:09 AM »
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Are you deliberately being obtuse?

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<a href="You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login">we don?t have two genuinely independent identifications of Oswald at the Odio apartment</a>

Annie's telling of it isn't much of a corroboration. The author of that piece explains why. In short, she was led to the identification that she gave by her sister.

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« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2019, 04:32:16 PM »
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<a href="You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login">we don?t have two genuinely independent identifications of Oswald at the Odio apartment</a>

Annie's telling of it isn't much of a corroboration. The author of that piece explains why. In short, she was led to the identification that she gave by her sister.

McAdams....LOL.

If Annie Odio's identification is "shaky", then Helen Markham's and Howard Brennan's sure as hell are.

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« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2019, 04:32:16 PM »

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« Reply #165 on: February 07, 2019, 12:23:21 AM »
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The Odio events happened around the time Oswald is believed to have been traveling from New Orleans to Houston.

We don?t know ?how? Oswald traveled from New Orleans to Houston before going to Mexico.

It?s assumed that he rode a bus but there?s no evidence of that.

It?s plausible that Oswald traveled with anti-Castro Cubans (or Cuban spies posing as anti-Castro) from New Orleans to Texas.

Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).

Silvia Odio said "Leopoldo" a guy possibly named Angelo, and a guy identified to her by Leopoldo as "Leon Oswald" stopped by her apartment around 9:00PM the 26th or the 27th of Sept, 1963. Oswald was already on his way from Houston to Laredo, Texas aboard Continental Trailways bus 5133 by 2:35AM on the 26th so Oswald could not have been at Silvia Odio's apartment on the dates she gave. It's true there's no paper trail that has Oswald leaving New Orleans for Houston but there is evidence that Oswald placed a telephone call to the Twiford's in Houston on the night of the 25th and this would coincide with the scheduled Continental Trailways bus leaving from NO at 12:30 PM on the 25th and arriving in Houston at 10:50 PM that night.

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« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2019, 12:26:30 AM »
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"They were trained in espionage by the Soviets"...

That's true Jon,...  And isn't it ironic that those Castro agents got some of their training by Lee Oswald, .... in Minsk.   He knew that he was teaching the young Russian and Cuban spies how to talk like a hip American....He'd been authorized by his American intel agency to teach the spies "Americanese"    Ya dig? Just as he been told it was OK to give the Russians "secret" info about the U-2.  ( because the CIA were aware that the Russians already knew those  "secrets")

Yeah, Jon. Ian Fleming based his 007 spy novels on Lee Oswald. ::)

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« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2019, 12:26:30 AM »

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« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2019, 12:36:19 AM »
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In one account I've read (offhand I can't find it) Sylvia said she told her father, Amador, about the incident and related how the individuals said they knew him (the individuals said they were members of JURE, a socialist/leftist anti-Castro group). He denied knowing them. She also said they gave details that her father said were only known to him or to the Cuban agents who had tortured him into revealing. Amador and his wife, Sylvia's parents, had been arrested for being connected to one of the plots to kill Castro (it was the "bazooka" plot that involved Antonio Veciana).

If true then how did these individuals know about Amador and his activity IF he had only revealed them to Cuban agents? If the meeting happened; and if Sylvia's account is true. Lots of "ifs" in this story.

Added: Some of the above was mentioned by Sylvia in her WC testimony.

Mrs. ODIO. Before you start, let me give you a letter of my father's which he wrote me from prison. You can have it. It was very funny, because at the time he wrote it, the FBI incident happened a week later. I told my father this man had been in my house and he introduced himself as your friend; and he wrote me back in December telling me that such people were not his friends, and he said not to receive anybody in my house, and not any of them were his friends, and he didn't know those people. At the time I did give the names of one or two, and he wrote back, "I actually don't know who they are."

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Mrs. ODIO. ...[T]hey told me they were members of JURE, and were trying to let me have them come into the house. When I said no, one of them said, "We are very good friends of your father." This struck me, because I didn't think my father could have such kind of friends, unless he knew them from anti-Castro activities. He gave me so many details about where they saw my father and what activities he was in. I mean, they gave me almost incredible details about things that somebody who knows him really would or that somebody informed well knows. And after a little while, after they mentioned my father, they started talking about the American.

That's all  BS:, Steve. If the English translation of Amador Odio  letter from the Cuban prison to his children is correct he only mentioned of one guy that went to Silvia's apartment and to find out his name. Silvia's WC account is wrong. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2019, 12:36:19 AM »

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #168 on: February 07, 2019, 01:50:18 AM »
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Silvia Odio said "Leopoldo" a guy possibly named Angelo, and a guy identified to her by Leopoldo as "Leon Oswald" stopped by her apartment around 9:00PM the 26th or the 27th of Sept, 1963. Oswald was already on his way from Houston to Laredo, Texas aboard Continental Trailways bus 5133 by 2:35AM on the 26th so Oswald could not have been at Silvia Odio's apartment on the dates she gave.

That's easy for you to say.  I could just as easily claim that Oswald was at Odio's apartment on the 26th or 27th, so he couldn't possibly have been on a Continental Trailways bus on that date.  Why are the McFarlands automatically more reliable than the Odios?

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #169 on: February 07, 2019, 01:52:55 AM »
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That's all  BS:, Steve. If the English translation of Amador Odio  letter from the Cuban prison to his children is correct he only mentioned of one guy that went to Silvia's apartment and to find out his name. Silvia's WC account is wrong.

Where does Amador's letter say anything about anyone coming to her apartment or when or how many?

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