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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #150 on: January 31, 2019, 11:51:23 PM »
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The most probable scenario is that the guy who used, or was referred to as Leon Oswald by Leopoldo was using Leon Oswald as a cover. Another interesting case of a coincidence being turned into conspiracy involving anti-Castro Cubans.

Did he also just "coincidentally" look like Lee Oswald?

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« Reply #150 on: January 31, 2019, 11:51:23 PM »

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« Reply #151 on: February 01, 2019, 12:33:37 AM »
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Did he also just "coincidentally" look like Lee Oswald?

Isn't it strange that it was the APPEARANCE ( the image) that Odio saw on TV that caused her near hysteria..... She saw the image on TV and recognized Lee Oswald as the man who had been to her apartment.....  But on the other hand several witnesses in Mexico City were just as certain that It was Lee Oswald they had seen in M C.

No wonder Hoover was trying to verify the voice.....Or at least he made the pretense ( or create confusion) of trying to determine if it was Oswald's voice.
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« Reply #152 on: February 01, 2019, 01:55:42 PM »
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Silvia Odio never said Lee, she  said "Leon Oswald". That was probably the war name used by the third guy. She remembers one of the guys used Leopoldo but doesn't remember the name used by the other guy, or if he even used a name. These guys supposedly came from New Orleans and the Lee Oswald story was not a secret. The most probable scenario is that the guy who used, or was referred to as Leon Oswald by Leopoldo was using Leon Oswald as a cover. Another interesting case of a coincidence being turned into conspiracy involving anti-Castro Cubans.

The Odio events happened around the time Oswald is believed to have been traveling from New Orleans to Houston.

We don?t know ?how? Oswald traveled from New Orleans to Houston before going to Mexico.

It?s assumed that he rode a bus but there?s no evidence of that.

It?s plausible that Oswald traveled with anti-Castro Cubans (or Cuban spies posing as anti-Castro) from New Orleans to Texas.

Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).
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« Reply #153 on: February 01, 2019, 04:37:53 PM »
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The Odio events happened around the time Oswald is believed to have been traveling from New Orleans to Houston.

We don?t know ?how? Oswald traveled from New Orleans to Houston before going to Mexico.

It?s assumed that he rode a bus but there?s no evidence of that.

It?s plausible that Oswald traveled with anti-Castro Cubans (or Cuban spies posing as anti-Castro) from New Orleans to Texas.

Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).

Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).

The Bay OF Pigs ( Operation Zapata) was no secret.... Stories of the CIA run operation appeared in many US newspapers  weeks before April 15.....And In a radio broadcast briefing JFK had clearly told the Cuban "Freedom Fighters" that they should not expect any US military involvement in active support of their operation. 

 

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« Reply #154 on: February 01, 2019, 09:08:16 PM »
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Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).

The Bay OF Pigs ( Operation Zapata) was no secret.... Stories of the CIA run operation appeared in many US newspapers  weeks before April 15.....And In a radio broadcast briefing JFK had clearly told the Cuban "Freedom Fighters" that they should not expect any US military involvement in active support of their operation.

That may be true as well but the Cubans had an extensive and effective spy network. They were trained in espionage by the Soviets...

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« Reply #154 on: February 01, 2019, 09:08:16 PM »

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« Reply #155 on: February 01, 2019, 10:06:54 PM »
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That may be true as well but the Cubans had an extensive and effective spy network. They were trained in espionage by the Soviets...

"They were trained in espionage by the Soviets"...

That's true Jon,...  And isn't it ironic that those Castro agents got some of their training by Lee Oswald, .... in Minsk.   He knew that he was teaching the young Russian and Cuban spies how to talk like a hip American....He'd been authorized by his American intel agency to teach the spies "Americanese"    Ya dig? Just as he been told it was OK to give the Russians "secret" info about the U-2.  ( because the CIA were aware that the Russians already knew those  "secrets")


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« Reply #156 on: February 04, 2019, 09:38:30 PM »
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The Odio events happened around the time Oswald is believed to have been traveling from New Orleans to Houston.

We don?t know ?how? Oswald traveled from New Orleans to Houston before going to Mexico.

It?s assumed that he rode a bus but there?s no evidence of that.

It?s plausible that Oswald traveled with anti-Castro Cubans (or Cuban spies posing as anti-Castro) from New Orleans to Texas.

Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).

Is there any corroboration for Odio's claim?

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« Reply #156 on: February 04, 2019, 09:38:30 PM »

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« Reply #157 on: February 04, 2019, 11:29:03 PM »
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Is there any corroboration for Odio's claim?

Her sister, Annie.

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« Reply #157 on: February 04, 2019, 11:29:03 PM »

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« Reply #158 on: February 05, 2019, 03:22:58 AM »
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Her sister, Annie.

The fact that she had a sister named Annie is corroboration of her claim?? ??? Or did Annie say something that corroborated her claim? If so, what?

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2019, 06:24:00 PM »
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The Odio events happened around the time Oswald is believed to have been traveling from New Orleans to Houston.

We don?t know ?how? Oswald traveled from New Orleans to Houston before going to Mexico.

It?s assumed that he rode a bus but there?s no evidence of that.

It?s plausible that Oswald traveled with anti-Castro Cubans (or Cuban spies posing as anti-Castro) from New Orleans to Texas.

Cuba?s spy network had infiltrated several anti-Castro groups by the early 1960s (hence the failure of the BoP and every plot to kill Castro).
In one account I've read (offhand I can't find it) Sylvia said she told her father, Amador, about the incident and related how the individuals said they knew him (the individuals said they were members of JURE, a socialist/leftist anti-Castro group). He denied knowing them. She also said they gave details that her father said were only known to him or to the Cuban agents who had tortured him into revealing. Amador and his wife, Sylvia's parents, had been arrested for being connected to one of the plots to kill Castro (it was the "bazooka" plot that involved Antonio Veciana).

If true then how did these individuals know about Amador and his activity IF he had only revealed them to Cuban agents? If the meeting happened; and if Sylvia's account is true. Lots of "ifs" in this story.

Added: Some of the above was mentioned by Sylvia in her WC testimony.

Mrs. ODIO. Before you start, let me give you a letter of my father's which he wrote me from prison. You can have it. It was very funny, because at the time he wrote it, the FBI incident happened a week later. I told my father this man had been in my house and he introduced himself as your friend; and he wrote me back in December telling me that such people were not his friends, and he said not to receive anybody in my house, and not any of them were his friends, and he didn't know those people. At the time I did give the names of one or two, and he wrote back, "I actually don't know who they are."

And this:
Mrs. ODIO. ...[T]hey told me they were members of JURE, and were trying to let me have them come into the house. When I said no, one of them said, "We are very good friends of your father." This struck me, because I didn't think my father could have such kind of friends, unless he knew them from anti-Castro activities. He gave me so many details about where they saw my father and what activities he was in. I mean, they gave me almost incredible details about things that somebody who knows him really would or that somebody informed well knows. And after a little while, after they mentioned my father, they started talking about the American.

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