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Offline Bill Chapman

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Again with the false equivalacies, but not at all surprising coming from Strawman "Richard".

Oswald was seen at the Tippit scene immediately after the shooting with a gun in his hand.
Call that a 'false equivalency', Professor Wiki.

Booth's diary was found on his person, not identified as his handwriting via 2 block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of a 2-inch order blank.

Because you don't have any actual evidence that Oswald shot anybody, so you have to resort to gymnastics over the purchase of the weapon.

I'm speechless at your inability to read.  I said that the theatre full of people saw him leap from the balcony.

False equivalence.  Booth was a famous actor who theater patrons knew well.  Oswald was identified in unfair rigged lineups by people who didn't know him and described him differently.

Booth was seen in the theater box with a gun in his hand immediately after Lincoln was shot.  Oswald was seen in a different location a couple minutes after JFK was shot with no gun in his hand.  See how that works?

Nobody saw Oswald do anything.  It's not surprising that you don't see the difference, because to you speculation is considered evidence.

Cool.  Any evidence of this mental instability in 1865?  Clara Harris and Mary Todd were in the presidential box too.

Witnesses who saw Oswald shoot JFK:  ZERO

The only reason you have to pretend you know that it was "Oswald's rifle" is because you don't have anything else.  In Booth's case they had eyewitnesses. They had conspirators.  They had a diary.  They didn't have to resort to nonsense like "he left his ring in a cup" as "evidence".

How does leaping from the balcony prove to the audience that Booth shot anybody. Did Clara or Mary see Booth actually shoot Lincoln? Or were they pressured to say they actually saw the physical act of Booth pointing the gun at him?

Did anybody see Booth actually pull the trigger? That seems to be a standard of proof you require.. even when a certain Mystery Guest #2 (AKA Dirty Harvey*) is seen at the Tippit scene during the murder of Tippit, not only with a gun in his hand but actually emptying it.

Witnesses who saw AnybodyButOswald shoot Kennedy: ZERO
Persons other than the shooter who knew an attempt on Kennedy was going to be made that day: ZERO

Leaving a wedding ring in a cup is evidence that he left his wedding ring in a cup. Taken at face value, in a vacuum, BFD. You don't live in a vacuum, do you John.

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*Smith, Wesson... and Lee.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Shouldn't this thread be in the "Off Topic" section?
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How does leaping from the balcony prove to the audience that Booth shot anybody. Did Clara or Mary see Booth actually shoot Lincoln? Or were they pressured to say they actually saw the physical act of Booth pointing the gun at him?

Did anybody see Booth actually pull the trigger? That seems to be a standard of proof you require..

No that's Strawman "Smith's" strawman.  The problem isn't that nobody was seen pulling the trigger.  The problem is that there is no evidence of any kind that Oswald was there with a weapon.

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even when a certain Mystery Guest #2 (AKA Dirty Harvey*) is seen at the Tippit scene immediately after the murder of Tippit not only with a gun in his hand but actually emptying it.

We're comparing evidence of Lincoln's assassination vs. JFK's assassination.  Even if the evidence for the Tippit murder was (slightly) better, it tells you nothing about who shot JFK.  They were still unfair lineups.

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No that's Strawman "Smith's" strawman.  The problem isn't that nobody was seen pulling the trigger.  The problem is that there is no evidence of any kind that Oswald was there with a weapon.

We're comparing evidence of Lincoln's assassination vs. JFK's assassination.  Even if the evidence for the Tippit murder was (slightly) better, it tells you nothing about who shot JFK.  They were still unfair lineups.

Note that I've added to my original post before reading this

In the meantime, Oswald was the only person on the face of the planet at the scenes of both crimes. I find that compelling.

Oh, btw... Did Oswald demand a jacket to wear at any of the lineups? ;)


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Note that I've added to my original post before reading this

In the meantime, Oswald was the only person on the face of the planet as being seen at the scenes of both crimes

Define "being seen".  Actually Captain Westbrook was not only at both scenes, but he was at the scene when the jacket was found and at the theater for the arrest.  Not bad for a personnel officer.

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Witnesses who saw AnybodyButOswald shoot Kennedy: ZERO

Is that supposed to prove that Oswald did it?

Witnesses who saw AnybodyButBillChapman shoot Kennedy: ZERO

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Persons other than the shooter who knew an attempt on Kennedy was going to be made that day: ZERO

How could you possibly know that for a fact?

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Leaving a wedding ring in a cup is evidence that he left his wedding ring in a cup. Taken at face value, in a vacuum, BFD. You don't live in a vacuum, do you John.

Taken in conjunction with other evidence:  also BFD.  It means he left his ring in a cup and you're left to speculate in hindsight on the reasons.

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Define "being seen".  Actually Captain Westbrook was not only at both scenes, but he was at the scene when the jacket was found and at the theater for the arrest.  Not bad for a personnel officer.

 ::)

Not that you're riding the semantics seesaw
>>> On the scene during the shootings.

Westbrook was there during the Tippit shooting?
News to me.

Oh, btw... Did Oswald demand a jacket to wear at any of the lineups? ;)
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Offline John Mytton

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Again with the false equivalacies, but not at all surprising coming from Strawman "Richard".

Booth's diary was found on his person, not identified as his handwriting via 2 block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of a 2-inch order blank.

Because you don't have any actual evidence that Oswald shot anybody, so you have to resort to gymnastics over the purchase of the weapon.

I'm speechless at your inability to read.  I said that the theatre full of people saw him leap from the balcony.

False equivalence.  Booth was a famous actor who theater patrons knew well.  Oswald was identified in unfair rigged lineups by people who didn't know him and described him differently.

Booth was seen in the theater box with a gun in his hand immediately after Lincoln was shot.  Oswald was seen in a different location a couple minutes after JFK was shot with no gun in his hand.  See how that works?

Nobody saw Oswald do anything.  It's not surprising that you don't see the difference, because to you speculation is considered evidence.

Cool.  Any evidence of this mental instability in 1865?  Clara Harris and Mary Todd were in the presidential box too.

Witnesses who saw Oswald shoot JFK:  ZERO

The only reason you have to pretend you know that it was "Oswald's rifle" is because you don't have anything else.  In Booth's case they had eyewitnesses. They had accomplices.  They had a diary.  They didn't have to resort to nonsense like "he left his ring in a cup" as "evidence".

Booth:  Sic Semper Tyrannis
Oswald: I really don't know what the situation is about. Nobody has told me anything.

But if you want to make a case for reasonable doubt in Lincoln's murder, then knock yourself out.  It does nothing to advance your case against Oswald.

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Booth's diary was found on his person

Oswald's wallet containing Hidell ID was found on Oswald's person.

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Because you don't have any actual evidence that Oswald shot anybody,

And unless you have evidence that someone saw some guy actually pull the trigger then you got nothing.

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so you have to resort to gymnastics over the purchase of the weapon.

How is following a paper/evidence trail that leads from Kleins records straight to the 6th floor of Oswald's building "gymnastics"?

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I said that the theatre full of people saw him leap from the balcony.

Saw "who" jump from the balcony, was this person ever positively identified in an "unfair lineup"? -giggle-

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Oswald was identified in unfair rigged lineups

An unfair rigged lineup contains only 1 person who is holding the weapon, Oswald's lineup's were nothing like that.

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Booth was seen in the theater box with a gun in his hand immediately after Lincoln was shot.

In a darkened theater, what could they possibly see?

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Oswald was seen in a different location a couple minutes after JFK was shot with no gun in his hand.  See how that works?

Oops, Brennan saw Oswald in the sniper's nest, you know the sniper's nest with Oswald fresh prints on the recently moved rifle rest box.

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Nobody saw Oswald do anything.

See above and don't forget when Oswald was approached by Police Officers he struck McDonald and then tried to kill McDonald with his revolver.

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Witnesses who saw Oswald shoot JFK:  ZERO

No, see above.

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In Booth's case they had eyewitnesses.

Eyewitnesses who didn't see some guy actually pull the trigger? LOL!

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They had a diary.

What, so the handwriting analysis is based on an "unscientific" opinion, you gotta do better than that.

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Booth:  Sic Semper Tyrannis

Oswald: Well, it's all over now

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But if you want to make a case for reasonable doubt in Lincoln's murder, then knock yourself out.  It does nothing to advance your case against Oswald.

No, it's just fun exposing a lazy contrarian who applies Polar different conclusions to essentially the same type of evidence.

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