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Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: Matthew Smith The Second Plot
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2019, 12:36:45 AM »
" Lee Harvey Oswald was carrying a re-chambered Victory Model when he was apprehended on November 22, 1963"

"Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested as a suspect in the Tippit shooting shortly before 2 p.m., (16) November 22. Apprehended after a scuffle in the Texas theater, he was carrying a Smith and Wesson revolver modified to fire .38 special caliber ammunition."

"The snub-nosed Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 Special revolver, serial number V510210, that Oswald had in his hand when he was arrested in a movie theater eighty minutes after the assassination"
I start from the beginning of the case and move forward as far as evidence will allow, there is not any evidence that shows anything more than LHO went to work on that Friday. Everything else is nonsense

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Online Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2019, 12:46:23 AM »
Billy, try to say something intelligent  .....
Not likely.

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Re: Matthew Smith The Second Plot
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2019, 12:55:31 AM »
I start from the beginning of the case and move forward as far as evidence will allow, there is not any evidence that shows anything more than LHO went to work on that Friday. Everything else is nonsense

It's post's like the above that really emphasise how low the debating quality on this forum has become. It's a crying shame to see such a formerly great forum sink like this. No reply required.
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Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: Matthew Smith The Second Plot
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2019, 03:08:39 AM »
It's post's like the above that really emphasise how low the debating quality on this forum has become. It's a crying shame to see such a formerly great forum sink like this. No reply required.
First things first, not last things first. It is that simple. You can't even explain the rifle, why in the hell would you expect someone to listen   

Online Jerry Freeman

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Re: Matthew Smith The Second Plot
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2019, 04:21:00 AM »
"The snub-nosed Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 Special revolver, serial number V510210, that Oswald had in his hand when he was arrested in a movie theater eighty minutes after the assassination"
So the police say. I posted this in another related topic...
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according to the story...A guy who was supposed to have the jump on Tippit..firing devil may care into a cop's belly just gives the next cop who came along a bitch slap [and] then the cop slaps [him] back.
Doesn't the report say-- Oswald supposedly pulled the trigger and the pistol misfired? Ostensibly, the firing pin went coincidentally out of whack. Does all this make any sense?
 Avowedly there have been all these committees and inquiries and commissions and they have just passed the buck to the next investigation. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am just a skeptic of the official story which is nothing short of a far fetched theory.
 

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Matthew Smith The Second Plot
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2019, 07:44:04 PM »
I still don't see any conformation that Oswald the sole assassin. El Chappo is a lost cause so this is for those with collective wits..........
From ERRORS AND OMISSIONS IN GUS RUSSO'S BOOK LIVE BY THE SWORD Michael T. Griffith
 Full report here.....   http://www.miketgriffith.com/files/russo.htm
If people stop their ears and shut their eyes..then no-- they won't discover the rumors of any plot.
 

"they won't discover the rumors of any plot"

Show me where I asked for rumours. I clearly asked for proof that anyone besides the shooter knew that an attempt was going to made on Kennedy that day.

Well?
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2019, 08:00:27 PM »
So the police say. I posted this in another related topic... Doesn't the report say-- Oswald supposedly pulled the trigger and the pistol misfired? Ostensibly, the firing pin went coincidentally out of whack. Does all this make any sense?
 Avowedly there have been all these committees and inquiries and commissions and they have just passed the buck to the next investigation. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am just a skeptic of the official story which is nothing short of a far fetched theory.

The hammer hit the web of skin on MacDonald's hand between his
thumb and forefinger.

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Online Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2019, 09:11:25 PM »
 
 
The hammer hit the web of skin on MacDonald's hand between his
thumb and forefinger.
   So he said. Let's get that out of the way. McDonald first told the Dallas papers that the revolver 'misfired'..no mention of his thumb..... McDonald lied. 'Oh really?' Yeah.
Yeah he did. One example- McDonald claimed that Oswald stood up and said ''This is it". However in testimony his own police buddy reported that it was in fact McDonald who said it......
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Mr. HAWKINS. I had my Service .38 revolver.
Mr. BALL. Did you have it out or was it in your holster?
Mr. HAWKINS. I believe I had it out.
Mr. BALL. What did you do with it?
Mr. HAWKINS. At that time, after he pointed out the person, Officer McDonald had started up the left aisle and he stopped and talked to two boys who were sitting about three rows in front of where Oswald was sitting. I continued up the north aisle or the left aisle as you would walk toward the screen, and then Officer McDonald had walked on back to this person who was seated back there.
Mr. BALL. He was--he walked over to the right aisle, did he?
Mr. HAWKINS. He walked from the right aisle and came in from the person's right. I was about three rows from--still in the same aisle, on the left aisle and about three rows from McDonald and Oswald when I heard him say, "I've got him," or "This is it," or some words to that effect.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear Oswald say anything?
Mr. HAWKINS. Not at that time; no, sir; I did not.
 
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hawkins.htm
There were other McDonald 'irregularities'. 
Show me where I asked for rumours. I clearly asked for proof that anyone besides the shooter knew that an attempt was going to made on Kennedy that day.  Well?
'Well' is a deep subject for such a shallow mind as yours.
Rumor...."a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth."
 I wonder why you would really care anyway. JFK was not your president. I do not know who the shooters were, but feel some day it will be revealed.
 

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2019, 09:51:36 PM »

     So he said. Let's get that out of the way. McDonald first told the Dallas papers that the revolver 'misfired'..no mention of his thumb..... McDonald lied. 'Oh really?' Yeah.
Yeah he did. One example- McDonald claimed that Oswald stood up and said ''This is it". However in testimony his own police buddy reported that it was in fact McDonald who said it......
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hawkins.htm
There were other McDonald 'irregularities'.  'Well' is a deep subject for such a shallow mind as yours.
Rumor...."a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth."
 I wonder why you would really care anyway. JFK was not your president. I do not know who the shooters were, but feel some day it will be revealed.

However in testimony his own police buddy reported that it was in fact McDonald who said it......

Is Ray Dawkins the 'police buddy' you're talking about?

Mr. HAWKINS. He walked from the right aisle and came in from the person's right. I was about three rows from--still in the same aisle, on the left aisle and about three rows from McDonald and Oswald when I heard him say, "I've got him," or "This is it," or some words to that effect.

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Maybe McDonald said I've got him
Maybe Oswald said this is it

Seems Dawkins heard both
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Matthew Smith The Second Plot
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2019, 11:46:45 PM »
It's post's like the above that really emphasise how low the debating quality on this forum has become. It's a crying shame to see such a formerly great forum sink like this. No reply required.

It's post's like the above that really emphasise how low the debating quality on this forum has become.

Apparently the fact that you contribute NOTHING to this forum escapes you.....

 

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