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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2019, 12:13:26 PM »
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Motorcade cop tells how it happened B.W. Hargis
Sunday News (New York) 24 November 1963


?Motorcade Cop Tells How It Happened,? Sunday News (New York), 24 November 1963, p.25:

Dallas, Nov. 23 (Special) - B. W. Hargis, 31, Dallas motorcycle patrolman who was riding
in President Kennedy?s motorcade, gave this account today of the assassination:
 
?We turned left onto Elm St. off Houston, about half a block from where it happened. I was
right alongside the rear fender on the left hand side of the President?s car, near Mrs. Kennedy.
 
When I heard the first explosion, I knew it was a shot. I thought that Gov. Connally had been
hit when I saw him turn toward the President with a real surprised look.

The President then looked like he was bent over or that he was leaning toward the Governor, talking to him.
 
As the President straightened back up, Mrs. Kennedy turned toward him, and that was when he got hit in the side of his head,
spinning it around.

I was splattered with blood.
 
Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I might have been hit.
Then I saw the limousine stop, and I parked my motorcycle at the side of the road, got off and drew my gun.
 
Then this Secret Service agent (in the President?s car) got his wits about him and they took off. The
motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward and announced to the chief that
the President had been shot.?


Thanks for posting this very revealing information, Gary......Notice that Hargis thought that JFK was hit in the SIDE of the head.....and Hargis says that Chaney was on the RIGHT SIDE of the Lincoln....

I'm not trying to connect these two statements.....The point is....   Hargis thought that JFK was hit in the SIDE of the head.....  And that's exactly what Clint Hill said.... Hill said that when he climbed aboard the Lincoln he noticed a bullet hole in the RIGHT SIDE of JFK's head and a large hole at the BACK of his head.

Hargis says that Chaney was on the RIGHT SIDE of the Lincoln....  Many posters have attempted to convince some of us that Chaney was to the rear of the Lincoln when James Altgens snapped the photo Altgens #6..... 
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Re: Did Lee Oswald know....??
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2019, 07:26:13 PM »
There was definitely a circular hole blown out at JFK's right temple which could not possibly have been caused by a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD.



This was likely caused by an explosive shot from the knoll. Note the fireball in JFK's head.

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There was definitely a circular hole blown out at JFK's right temple which could not possibly have been caused by a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD.



This was likely caused by an explosive shot from the knoll. Note the fireball in JFK's head.

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There is a colored photo ( a frame from Z film) that shows a tiny bit of red just forward of JFK's right ear.  The red is in the hairline at the rear of JFK's temple....
I'm sure that many folks have had a blood draw.....   When blood is drawn for a blood test the blood appears a a very dark purple ( nearly black) 

It's obvious that it changes color very rapidly when exposed to to the air....and becomes bright red.  How long does it take ??   The photo shows a bright red blob on the right side of JFK's head....   Does blood actually change color that rapidly?

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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2019, 12:38:09 AM »
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By the time Oswald was under interrogation it had been pretty firmly established the shots had come from the SN at the TSBD. Oswald was asked by Fritz were he had been when the shots were fired (or something to that effect) and he answered eating his lunch on the first floor. Oswald was again asked the same question on the second day of interrogation but he didn't take the bait and continued with his lie that he was not where everyone would knew he had been. On the third day of interrogation Oswald just about phu..ed up and admitted to Postal Inspector Holmes that he went down after the commotion and then left after the Baker incident. It's too bad Inspector Holmes didn't pursue this any further at the time but he can't be blamed as nobody knew that Ruby would kill the little SOB moments later.

By the time Oswald was under interrogation it had been pretty firmly established the shots had come from the SN at the TSBD.

This isn't a true statement...but even if it were....Simply because many folks believed that the shots had been fired from the sixth floor...DOES NOT prove that Lee Oswald knew that the sixth floor was being presented as the site where the shots had been fired from.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2019, 07:36:32 PM »
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Did Lee Oswald know that the sixth floor was the alleged scene of the crime?

Can anybody point out a specific statement by Lee Oswald that indicates that he knew that the sixth floor of the TSBD was being presented to the public as the place from which the shots had been fired?

If Lee knew that the sixth floor of the TSBD was "the Crime Scene"....  Would he have been in the second floor lunchroom standing in front of the Coke machine when Baker and truly encountered him there? ....   Or would he have been making tracks to put as much distance between the sixth floor and himself.    If Lee had known that the sixth floor was going to be presented as the place the shots had came from..... and he was making tracks to distance himself immediately after the shots were fired, would he not have simply continued down the stairs ( assuming that he was on the stairs) or opened the door to the office area and then walked across that area and down to the first floor......

If He had been on the stairs and he heard someone ascending that stairs there would have been no reason for him to duck into the lunchroom.  Because he had no way of knowing WHO was ascending the stairs ( it could easily have been a fellow employee) and even if he had known it was a motorcycle cop, he was a long way from the alleged "crime scene" in the SE corner of the sixth floor.

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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2019, 03:54:55 PM »
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By the time Oswald was under interrogation it had been pretty firmly established the shots had come from the SN at the TSBD.

This isn't a true statement...but even if it were....Simply because many folks believed that the shots had been fired from the sixth floor...DOES NOT prove that Lee Oswald knew that the sixth floor was being presented as the site where the shots had been fired from.


By 12:34 Dallas police had received statement shots came from TSBD

By 12:36 ?.by the 5th floor of TSBD

By 12:37 "Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end."

"Can you give us any information as to what happened for these people out here, evidently they had - seriousness of it - the President involved - 1 is at Parkland, along with Dallas 1. We have word it is unknown - Texas Depository Store, corner of Elm and Field - officers are now surrounding and searching the building. (Garbled)"

By 12:45 "Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle..........He's thought to be in this Texas School Book Depository, here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston."

By 12:47 "Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male, thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time."

By 1:12 three shell cases are found on 6th floor SN. Minutes later the 6.5 mm MC c2766 is found on the NW corner of the 6th floor.

Find for me anywhere else other than the TSBD that DPD was looking for JFK's shooter. You also just ignore Fritz questioning Oswald about his whereabouts when POTUS was shot during his first interrogation. This has already been covered in a previous post. Also, since Oswald WAS the shooter nobody needed to remind him of it.









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By 12:34 Dallas police had received statement shots came from TSBD

By 12:36 ?.by the 5th floor of TSBD

By 12:37 "Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end."

"Can you give us any information as to what happened for these people out here, evidently they had - seriousness of it - the President involved - 1 is at Parkland, along with Dallas 1. We have word it is unknown - Texas Depository Store, corner of Elm and Field - officers are now surrounding and searching the building. (Garbled)"

By 12:45 "Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle..........He's thought to be in this Texas School Book Depository, here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston."

By 12:47 "Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male, thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time."

By 1:12 three shell cases are found on 6th floor SN. Minutes later the 6.5 mm MC c2766 is found on the NW corner of the 6th floor.

Find for me anywhere else other than the TSBD that DPD was looking for JFK's shooter. You also just ignore Fritz questioning Oswald about his whereabouts when POTUS was shot during his first interrogation. This has already been covered in a previous post. Also, since Oswald WAS the shooter nobody needed to remind him of it.

since Oswald WAS the shooter nobody needed to remind him of it.

Yer an idiot...   using circular logic.    Even if if it was common knowledge that the police were telling reporters that the shots had been fired from the sixth floor, does not mean that Lee Oswald knew.....Need I remind you he was isolated.....In Jail.


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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2019, 05:59:03 PM »
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There was definitely a circular hole blown out at JFK's right temple which could not possibly have been caused by a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD.



This was likely caused by an explosive shot from the knoll. Note the fireball in JFK's head.


The area circled is not missing bone, but an area with low opacity as seen on normal x-rays.

     

The degree of darkness in that area varies with image processing and media resolution. Some samples show the area more opaque.

"Fireball in JFK's head". Good one.

   

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2019, 11:50:28 AM »
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since Oswald WAS the shooter nobody needed to remind him of it.

Yer an idiot...   using circular logic.    Even if if it was common knowledge that the police were telling reporters that the shots had been fired from the sixth floor, does not mean that Lee Oswald knew.....Need I remind you he was isolated.....In Jail.

No, it's you who's an idiot.

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IF Lee never knew that the sixth floor was the official crime scene,a whole new picture emerges....   For example...  If He knew that the TSBD and specifically the sixth floor was the crime scene... He would logically have put as much distance between himself and that place as possible at the time of the shooting.

Why would Oswald need to distance himself from the crime scene if he supposedly wasn't there! The fact is that Oswald did distance himself from the crime scene by claiming he was eating lunch on the first floor. The premise of your argument is illogical.

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The fact that he admitted being in the building speaks to his innocence....

Really! How so? That scenario which has Oswald going to BWF car makes no sense as Oswald supposedly was not in the SN.  I  previously asked for a reply and you have avoided the question. No doubt because you can't logically defend the remark.

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Fritz asked Le "Where were you when the parade passed by the building?...  which is a totally different question than asking where he had been when the shots were fired.   A question which suggests that Lee knew that shots had been fired, and he knew when they had been fired...

Ah, no. As has been already pointed out to you Fritz asked Oswald where he was when the shots were fired. Thus, by your own observation answering your original question. You could have avoided looking like a donkey if you had known in advance that Fritz asked Oswald were he was during the shooting. Anyway, it's an exercise in futility on your part as Oswald was the shooter.

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2019, 02:45:02 PM »
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By 12:34 Dallas police had received statement shots came from TSBD

By 12:36 ?.by the 5th floor of TSBD

By 12:37 "Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end."

"Can you give us any information as to what happened for these people out here, evidently they had - seriousness of it - the President involved - 1 is at Parkland, along with Dallas 1. We have word it is unknown - Texas Depository Store, corner of Elm and Field - officers are now surrounding and searching the building. (Garbled)"

By 12:45 "Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle..........He's thought to be in this Texas School Book Depository, here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston."

By 12:47 "Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male, thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time."

By 1:12 three shell cases are found on 6th floor SN. Minutes later the 6.5 mm MC c2766 is found on the NW corner of the 6th floor.

Find for me anywhere else other than the TSBD that DPD was looking for JFK's shooter. You also just ignore Fritz questioning Oswald about his whereabouts when POTUS was shot during his first interrogation. This has already been covered in a previous post. Also, since Oswald WAS the shooter nobody needed to remind him of it.


12:45 "Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle..........He's thought to be in this Texas School Book Depository, here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston."

By 12:47 "Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male, thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time."

The information in these DPD radio broadcasts came from Howard Brennan.... 

Howard Brennan wrote a sworn affidavit about an hour after the shooting. In that affidavit he wrote: ...quote..." I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun" ...Unquote

The barrel of a mannlicher carcano is cover by a full length wooden stock.

Brennan said he could see all of the barrel of the "HIGH POWERED RIFLE" ....Many people call big game hunting rifles "high powered rifles" 

When Brennan was asked if he knew what kind of rifle the 35 year old, 175 pound,  man  man was armed with .....He said it might have been a 30 -30 Winchester ( a high powered rifle) And that's what was broadcast over the police radio.

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