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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2020, 12:46:15 AM »
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    "Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---
     and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur
     in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion.
     How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning?"



Costella may understand the principal, but he doesn't know how to detect pincushioning.

Please note that the neutral position of the Stemmons sign in the Zapruder film was leaning to camera-right. Any "vertical-straightening" of the posts in the corner signals pincushion.


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    Forget the "pincushioning" blah/blah/blah. What about the groundskeeper Emmit Hudson giving WC Testimony that the signs had been Taken Down/Moved? If anyone would be aware of something being done to the signs it would be the guy cutting the grass and trimming the Knoll.

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2020, 01:39:30 AM »
    Forget the "pincushioning" blah/blah/blah. What about the groundskeeper Emmit Hudson giving WC Testimony that the signs had been Taken Down/Moved? If anyone would be aware of something being done to the signs it would be the guy cutting the grass and trimming the Knoll.



Unchanged as of May 24, 1964 when the FBI re-enacted the car's position as seen in the Zapruder film. Pictures taken that day from Zapruder's position appear in WC Exhibits and show the Stemmons sign as it was on the day of the assassination. My best conclusion is that the Stemmons freeway sign was removed at some time after May 24th and when Hudson testified on July 22, 1964.

No doubt thousands of regular Dallas commuters also noticed the sign change.

Daffy Sylvia Meagher claimed Hudson's testimony, given in mid-1964, revealed the Stemmons sign had been "removed completely by early in 1965". She writes: "we do not know if the sign was moved before or after the FBI re-eanactment tests of May 24, 1964, or, for that matter, before or after the Secret Service re-enactments of December 5, 1963". She had almost three years to resolve all or part of that, and nine additional years between her book publication and reissue to correct it.



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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2020, 02:43:27 AM »


Unchanged as of May 24, 1964 when the FBI re-enacted the car's position as seen in the Zapruder film. Pictures taken that day from Zapruder's position appear in WC Exhibits and show the Stemmons sign as it was on the day of the assassination. My best conclusion is that the Stemmons freeway sign was removed at some time after May 24th and when Hudson testified on July 22, 1964.

No doubt thousands of regular Dallas commuters also noticed the sign change.

Daffy Sylvia Meagher claimed Hudson's testimony, given in mid-1964, revealed the Stemmons sign had been "removed completely by early in 1965". She writes: "we do not know if the sign was moved before or after the FBI re-eanactment tests of May 24, 1964, or, for that matter, before or after the Secret Service re-enactments of December 5, 1963". She had almost three years to resolve all or part of that, and nine additional years between her book publication and reissue to correct it.



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    The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs?  The Moving of the signs being done After the FBI examined the Knoll with a fine tooth comb also looms large!

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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2020, 05:59:06 AM »
    The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs?  The Moving of the signs being done After the FBI examined the Knoll with a fine tooth comb also looms large!

The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs

Oh, boy: Another twofer
1) Warehouse them for posterity
2) Thwart souvenir hunters

Just sayin'

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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2020, 04:57:24 PM »
The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs

Oh, boy: Another twofer
1) Warehouse them for posterity
2) Thwart souvenir hunters

Just sayin'

    Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.
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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2020, 05:37:41 PM »
    Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.

What ultimately happened to the Stemmon's freeway sign?

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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2020, 06:57:01 PM »
    Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.

What testimony are you talking about?

    Mr. LIEBELER - There are two signs in picture No. 18, one says, "R.L. Thornton Freeway,
          keep right." and the other one says, "Fort worth Turnpike, keep right."
     Mr. HUDSON - There were two of them that wasn't too far apart right throught here - them
          signs was - one was right along in here and the other one was either further up, I guess.
          It's not in that picture - I don't believe."

As published in the Exhibits, the picture Hudson is being shown has limited resolution. The photograph view angle is similar to the better-quality photo below.



If you look closely, the Stemmons sign can just be distinguished from the foliage. Hudson viewing a less-defined photo would not be able to see the sign. You would think the groundskeeper would have kept track of the location where the Stemmons sign sat for many years and figured that the sign was obscured by foliage.

    Mr. HUDSON - Now, they have moved some of those signs. They have moved the
          R.L. Thornton Freeway sign and put up a Stemmons sign.

The dallasfreeways research presents evidence that the Thornton Fwy sign was replaced at its original site with a similar-sized sign topped by a smaller sign. This is based on a photo taken on the first-anniversary that included the new sign back-on. It is speculated that the new sign might have made referenced to both the Stemmons and Thornton Fwy, basically replacing two signs with one.

 

FWIW, these online images are claimed to have been taken June 4, 1964.



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Re: Stemmons Freeway sign
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2020, 08:32:46 PM »

   I disagree. He's under oath. He is shown a pic in which he does Not see the sign. He says so. That is Truthful testimony. The man is a grounds keeper operating out of a shed behind the Pergola Shelter. You're Not going to hear him expounding on The Theory Of Relativity.