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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2019, 09:57:14 PM »
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  If she were some type of master spy with the assignment of framing Oswald, she would have done obvious things like confirm he stored a rifle in her garage, carried a long bag to work that morning,
But there was no rifle and there was no bag. So how could she? You can't prove a myth with strawman hypothetical anecdotes Snickers, it just doesn't work.

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Re: Forum members opinions on the following persons linked with Oswald
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2019, 10:10:13 PM »
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But there was no rifle and there was no bag. So how could she? You can't prove a myth with strawman hypothetical anecdotes Snickers, it just doesn't work.
Sorry, are you saying that no rifle and no bag were found in the building? Nobody saw him carry a bag to work? There's no other evidence he owned a rifle?

And it doesn't matter if there was no rifle in her garage. Or bag. The point is she would - if she was part of the plan to do so - frame Oswald by claiming there was. He's dead. She can say anything about him at that stage.

So we go back to the original point: If she was involved in framing Oswald - she allegedly got him the job where he would be framed - then why not say she saw the rifle too? And saw him carrying it that morning of the assassination?
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Re: Forum members opinions on the following persons linked with Oswald
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2019, 10:26:03 PM »
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Sorry, are you saying that no rifle and no bag were found in the building? Nobody saw him carry a bag to work? There's no other evidence he owned a rifle?

Don't you realize that all evidence was either faked, planted or altered in some way?

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Re: Forum members opinions on the following persons linked with Oswald
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Re: Forum members opinions on the following persons linked with Oswald
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2019, 10:38:28 PM »
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Don't you realize that all evidence was either faked, planted or altered in some way?
Right, I know that's what some - many - of them think. But a rifle and bag WERE found. They did exist even if planted.

So if Ruth was part of this framing of Oswald - planting the bag and rifle - why didn't she lie and say she saw the rifle in the garage? Or that she saw him carrying a bag to work that day? Or that he expressed hatred of JFK?

We're asked to prove a negative here: i.e., that Ruth Paine did not frame Oswald. And we're offering up examples that show that she didn't do/say far more serious things to frame him.

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Re: Forum members opinions on the following persons linked with Oswald
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2019, 12:33:30 AM »
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But there was no rifle and there was no bag. So how could she? You can't prove a myth with strawman hypothetical anecdotes Snickers, it just doesn't work.

LOL.  If Ruth Paine was involved in framing Oswald, all she has to do is say he had a rifle in the garage etc.  It wouldn't have to be there.  That is sort of the point when you are trying to frame someone.  Whew. 

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Re: Forum members opinions on the following persons linked with Oswald
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2019, 01:07:57 PM »
All right guys let's see if we can get on with the intended purpose of this thread. I shall introduce one of the fringe characters of whom I believe played a very important role in deciding the direction that Lee Oswald would pursue while in Dallas. This is George A. Bouhe. Some background of Mr. Bouhe. He was born in St. Petersburg, Russia on February, 1904. As a young man he worked for the American Relief Commission from 1920 - 23. At the encouragement of some American there he decided to emigrate to America, applied for a passport but was denied by the Soviet authorities. Bouhe then crossed a river into Finland and came to America by way of Germany, arriving here in April 1924 and became an American citizen in June 1939. Bouhe made his way to Dallas in 1939 were he worked as an accountant for Chase Manhattan Bank and as a personal  accountant for Lewis W. MacNaughton, a prominent geologist in the Dallas area. As the senior member of the burgeoning Russian ?migr? community he formed a church congregation in part to be used as a meeting place for the newly arriving Russian emigres in the 1950's. Soon Bouhe attained the informal title of the leader of the Dallas-Ft. Worth Russian community.

Bouhe met the Oswalds, Marina and Lee, at a party hosted by Dorothy lane at the invitation of Peter Gregory, a Siberian emigre who now lived in Dallas and who Lee had met lee Oswald previously for the purpose of examining Oswalds competence in the Russian language.. It was at this party that Bouhe first met the Oswalds.  At this party Bouhe became very interested in Marina because she had lived in St. Petersburg. According to Priscilla Johnson this meeting between Bouhe and Marina established a father and daughter type relationship between them and Bouhe became very protective of Marina. This didn't sit well with Lee and he resented the attention lavished upon Marina by Bouhe's generosity arousing feelings of jealousy and inferiority.

Mr. Bouhe, along with other members of the Russian expatriate community, continued to try to help the Oswalds but it soon became apparent that Lee was mistreating Marina, hurting her both mentally and physically. Seeing this mistreatment Bouhe became concerned about Marina and encouraged her to leave Lee. But Bouhe soon became frustrated with Marina because she would give in to Lee's pleas for reconciliation and decided that he had had enough of them. Although he still felt pity of Marina he thought she was weak and Bouhe, being scared of Lee, decided to wash his hands of any responsibility for the welfare of Marina and her child. During a friendly encounter with George de Mohrenschildt, Brouhe made it plain that he was scared of Oswald and feared there would be trouble between them if he continued to try to help Marina. When George de Mohrenschildt expressed friendly feelings towards Lee, Bouhe told George "All right...you carry the ball'
 From this point on it was George de Mohrenschildt who would take over as the only benefactor of the Oswalds left in the Russian expatriate community of the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.

I  consider this a major influence of the path both Marina and Lee took that eventually led to the tragedy of Nov 22, 1963 because like Lee, George de Mohrenschildt had become an out cast of the Russian ?migr? community. Marina lost whatever support could be offered that would help her cut ties with an abusive husband of whom the majority of them thought of in terms that would describe Lee as an unstable, bitter and selfish character.   

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