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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #120 on: January 24, 2019, 02:36:34 AM »
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Quote from: Johnny Dolan on January 23, 2019, 05:42:42 PM..... "Short answer? Nope. He was never in Mexico. Get a grip man. This has all been rehashed by those whom are way more erudite than you, okay?"
I didn't know that Webster had joined the forum. Also, I am not sure WHO the "you" is. Could Johnny be referring to Oscar?
I did review Oscar's links. The Warren Report stated that the NO on the passport Telex [that was amazingly processed and granted within 24 hours!!] had coincidentally been placed by Oswald's name. That has to be the umpteen-thousandth coincidence that exists in this case. I have long been aware of the trail of Lee went to Mexico 'evidence' conveniently "produced" by the Paine woman and Marina...the silver bracelet ...the postcards...the ticket stubs to a bullfight...Mexican brochures etc etc. How opportune it all was huh?

Dear Jerry,

I'm afraid it was you to whom Johnny was referring.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Have you had an opportunity to read my long post, above, yet?

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #120 on: January 24, 2019, 02:36:34 AM »


Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #121 on: January 24, 2019, 03:33:17 AM »
Dear Oscar,

There is no evidence that the photograph of Oswald attached to the Cuban Visa Application was taken in Mexico City other than Sylvia Duran's implying that it was, and under circumstances so strange (i.e., that world-traveler Oswald had forgotten to bring passport-sized photos of himself with him to be attached to the visa application) as to make one wonder if that little "He had to leave the Consulate to have some photos taken of himself at some place nearby" vignette wasn't spun out of whole cloth in order to emphasize the "fact" that the photo was taken in Mexico City, ... gasp ... not in the USSR (and provided to Duran by a KGB "Oswald Impostor" or KGB/DGI instruction-giver).

Sylvia Duran claimed that Oswald arrived at the Cuban Consulate around 11 AM, and that he had (strangely for world-traveler Oswald) failed to bring passport-sized photos of himself.  She claimed that she told him where he could go locally to have the photographs taken, and that he left and came back with "four" photos at approximately 1 PM (John Newman says it must have been more like at 12:15 in order to avoid time conflicts with other events).


CORNWELL - Okay. Wait a minute. Just the first visit. Is there anything else about the first visit? Or, did he leave at that time and if he left, why did he leave?
TIRADO - To have photographs of himself.
CORNWELL - Okay. So your memory is that on the first occasion you also explained to him that he needed photographs and he left shortly thereafter to obtain them.
TIRADO - Yes, and perhaps, but I'm not very sure, that, uh, he said that he was a friend of the Cuban Revolution, and when he showed me all the scrap paper that he has.
CORNWELL - All right. You don't remember if that was on the first or the second occasion. Correct?
TIRADO - Yeah, I don't remember.
CORNWELL - Nevertheless, he did leave to go get photographs, and he did return?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - Did he return with the photographs?
TIRADO - With four photographs.
CORNWELL - Four of them.
TIRADO - Yeah.
CORNWELL - Were they all the same? To the best of your memory, was he wearing the same kind of clothes that he was wearing that day in the photographs?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - So, from all the circumstances, did it appear to your that he just went somewhere locally and had the pictures made?
TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs.
CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where ge could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there?
TIRADO - That I don't remember.
CORNWELL - All right. But at any rate you knew of some place at the time, mentioned one or two places to him?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - Correct?... Did you look at the photos when he brought them back, careful about to be sure that it was the same man who was standing in front of you?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - And what did you do at that time?
TIRADO - I filled out application.

Now what's interesting is that after the assassination, FBI agents canvassed all of the passport photo shops within walking distance of the Cuban diplomatic complex, but none of them remembered taking (four) photographs of Oswald about seven weeks earlier.

It's also interesting that Duran contradicts herself in her HSCA testimony, above, when she says (regarding whether or not there were any photo places near the Consulate), "That I don't remember," even though she'd agreed with Cornwell a few seconds earlier that Oswald got the photographs at some place not far from the Consulate, and that she had told him where he could get them.

Sylvia Duran said that the Oswald she dealt with looked just like the Oswald in the photograph (i.e., "she compared the photo with his face and clothing"), and that he was the same man who was later charged with assassinating JFK, but she incongruously described him in her combined statements to the Mexican police and to the HSCA as being skinny, about the same height as her (she was 5' 3.5" whereas Oswald was 5' 9.5"), as having blue or green eyes, blond hair, an elongated face (read "thin" face), and she even apparently told Eddie Lopez & Co. at some point that he was wearing a coat.  (Remember that Cuban Consul Eusebio Azcue described the Oswald he'd dealt with as wearing a Prince of Wales suit, as having blond or dark-blond hair, and as being around 35 years-old, thin, and having a very thin face. Hmm ... just like "Third Secretary/Assistant Cultural Attache" KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov).

(To be continued)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy :)

Silvia Duran's statement and the photographs is proof that Oswald had his picture taken in MC, MWT. You don't have to go to her HSCA testimony to find that out. Check it out here from her 11/23 interrogation by Mexican Security Police; https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=605&tab=page see page 39 for her statement about the photographs.

......as a result: of which the speaker (Silvia Duran), in compliance with her duties, received all of data and filled out the appropriate application, and he (Oswald) left to return in the afternoon, this time with his photographs,..... from CE-2121, page 39.

Silvia Duran's statement of her recognizing Oswald as the man accused of shooting JFK;

......that all of the conversation that the speaker had with OSWALD, as well as that of consul ASCUE with him, was in the English language since he didn't speak any Spanish, and that upon seeing his photograph which appears in today's newpapers, specifically in the newspaper "El Dia", she immediately recognized and identified it as being the same person that she has been referring to as LEE HARVEY OSWALD.......from CE-2121, page 40.

If a dog bites you and leaves teeth marks it's not necessary to check if the dog had teeth, MWT. This dog has a mouthful of teeth.

Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #122 on: January 24, 2019, 03:40:49 AM »
Quote from: Johnny Dolan on January 23, 2019, 05:42:42 PM..... "Short answer? Nope. He was never in Mexico. Get a grip man. This has all been rehashed by those whom are way more erudite than you, okay?"
I didn't know that Webster had joined the forum. Also, I am not sure WHO the "you" is. Could Johnny be referring to Oscar?
I did review Oscar's links. The Warren Report stated that the NO on the passport Telex [that was amazingly processed and granted within 24 hours!!] had coincidentally been placed by Oswald's name. That has to be the umpteen-thousandth coincidence that exists in this case. I have long been aware of the trail of Lee went to Mexico 'evidence' conveniently "produced" by the Paine woman and Marina...the silver bracelet ...the postcards...the ticket stubs to a bullfight...Mexican brochures etc etc. How opportune it all was huh?

You should try again, Jerry. Because you missed the mark by a mile. Read the entire post, in fact. See were I provided the pertinent portion of Abram Chayes testimony.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #122 on: January 24, 2019, 03:40:49 AM »


Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #123 on: January 24, 2019, 03:51:12 AM »
No, it was in fact that Thomas Graves chap I refer to and no one else.

Whom else would I address it to Jerry?

He started another junk science thread was the gist of my comment.

Of course, divisive Thomas will do anything to sow discord, so naturally he tells you that post was for you.

It's all good Jerry.

Dear Johnny B. Bad,

"Junk science"?

Care to be specific?

Are you, like David "Rudeness" Josephs, an aficionado of Armstrong's "Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites" theory?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  It's interesting to note that Joseph's still hasn't figured out how to fit Mexico City KGB triple-agent "Byetkov*?" (Ivan Obyedkov; Bill Simpich agrees with me that they must be one-and-the-same) into his "the evil, evil, evil CIA did it" theory.

Oh yeah, and how does "Rudeness" deal with the fact that Duran and Azcue collectively described the guy who provided Duran with the Minsk photo of Oswald in such a way as to so clearly point a finger at 5' 7", blond-haired, blue-eyed, skinny, 35 year-old, suit-wearing, very thin-faced KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #124 on: January 24, 2019, 04:20:38 AM »
 
Check it out here from her [Sylvia Duran] 11/23 interrogation by Mexican Security Police;
If a dog bites you ....
Has anyone here ever been 'interroragated' by the Federales? They [after a couple of sessions] would have you confess to shooting JFK.
Anyone else besides Sylvia? "Dog bites"  :D Give me a break.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #125 on: January 24, 2019, 05:16:58 AM »
   Has anyone here ever been 'interroragated' by the Federales? They [after a couple of sessions] would have you confess to shooting JFK.
Anyone else besides Sylvia? "Dog bites"  :D Give me a break.

Dear Oscar,

Did they torture Eusebio Azcue, too?

If not, then who made him say in 1978 that the "Oswald" he'd dealt with was blond-haired, thin, about 35 years-old, and had a very thin (i.e., an elongated) face?  The evil, evil CIA?

And why did he say in 1978 that during the intervening years he'd never thought of "Oswald" as wearing a light-colored sweater that day in September 1963?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2019, 05:33:14 AM »
You should try again, Jerry. Because you missed the mark by a mile. Read the entire post...
If I have missed the mark Oscar...I have worked damn hard to do it. I have studied the scat out of CE-2121.
The story was too much..too soon..and too pat. It even came out before Oswald was shot..how could that be? I can't find a version that can be copied and pasted. I wish I could take it smell by smell point by point.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #127 on: January 24, 2019, 01:42:25 PM »
   Has anyone here ever been 'interroragated' by the Federales? They [after a couple of sessions] would have you confess to shooting JFK.
Anyone else besides Sylvia? "Dog bites"  :D Give me a break.

Are you implying that Silvia Duran was torchered? If so, were's the evidence!!!