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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2019, 01:35:10 AM »
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2019, 04:02:09 AM »
 Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City  November 19, 2013  by John Newman
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Arguably, the most startling information so far brought to light by the release of these intelligence records is the CIA cover-up relating to Oswald?s visit to Mexico City.... CIA intercepts showed that someone impersonated Oswald in phone calls made to the Soviet embassy and the Cuban consulate and linked Oswald to a known KGB assassin ? Valery Kostikov ? whom the CIA and FBI had been following for over a year. The news of this impersonation and the link to Kostikov, learned within hours of President Kennedy?s assassination, electrified top government and intelligence officials and dominated their discussion in the immediate weeks following the assassination. It also became during the next 40 years one of the CIA?s most closely guarded secrets on the Oswald case. After President Kennedy?s assassination, documents show that the Agency created two more false stories in connection with Oswald?s Mexico City visit. The first cover story was that the CIA?s tapes of the phone calls had been erased before the assassination. The second cover story was that the CIA did not realize Oswald had visited the Cuban consulate until they looked into the matter after the assassination. The cover-up was apparently put in motion the day after the assassination by Anne Goodpasture (unless someone else altered the cables she sent after the fact) in the CIA station in Mexico City. But it was a sloppy coverup. Files released in the mid-1990s show she sent a cable at noon (1pm EST) on Nov. 23 stating that a voice comparison (between two intercepted phone calls) had not been made at the time of Oswald?s visit because one tape (presumably of the Saturday, Sept. 28 call)5 had been erased before another had been received (presumably from the Oct. 1 intercept ). It was unlikely this would have happened, however, as tapes were kept for at least two weeks before erasure.
More here.......    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/#15

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2019, 05:26:46 AM »
It appears that Oswald has a much more pronounced receding hairline in the much more recent visa photo than in the earlier photo taken in Minsk.

Dear Oscar,

Which "earlier photo taken in Minsk" are you referring to?

I contend that the photo stapled to the Cuban visa application was taken in Minsk.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2019, 07:05:57 AM »

Jerry Freeman wrote:

"Why did Lee's application misspell his mother's name...his aunts name...his wife's name..misstate his height...but, manage to spell photographer correctly when Lee consistently misspelled that word?"
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Just curious, Jerry --

How many times did Oswald misspell "photographer"?

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2019, 08:04:36 AM »
Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City  November 19, 2013  by John Newman More here.......    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/#15

A good explanation for (Armageddon-fearing; wouldn't you be?) CIA's covering up certain Khrushchev and/or Castro-implicating aspects of Oswald's trip to Mexico City (if he went there, that is) is that the KGB planted a WW III virus in Oswald's CIA file on October 1, 1963.

It did this by having Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's "Fedora"), with witting or unwitting help from Igor Brykin and Guenter Schulz a few months earlier, make Valeri Kostikov's name "radioactive," and then having triple-agent Mexico City Soviet Embassy security guard Ivan Obyedkov volunteer Kostikov's "radioactive" (i.e., Department 13) name to an Oswald impostor (probably KGB colonel Nikolai Lernov) over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on 10/01/63.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2019, 04:31:59 PM »
  Did not Oswald already have a passport issued in 1959 what about that one?
Of course it was revoked----
 

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2019, 08:28:33 PM »
Short answer? Nope. He was never in Mexico. Get a grip man. This has all been rehashed by those whom are way more erudite than you, okay?

*who, not whom

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2019, 08:29:10 PM »
So now we're talking about a middle aged Oswald and a pull-over sweater that survived all it's mileage there and merely got darker over the years?
Moving on ...I thought it was strange how this alleged [1963] passport was issued the very next day. The Report had to address that anomaly preemptively-- simply because it was so absurdly convoluted......  https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-15.html#june
No info concerning a former defector? Yeah right- OK-- Even today the routine processing of a USA passport is...are we ready?----- https://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-a-passport.html
Why was Oswald's name the only one that had "NO" placed beside it supposedly because NO stood for New Orleans and 24 other New Orleans applicants apparently did not have NO written beside them? Who was behind this fraud? Who were the applicants before and after the Lee Oswald application? How long did it take to process their applications? Why did Lee's application misspell his mother's name...his aunts name...his wife's name..misstate his height...but, manage to spell photographer correctly when Lee consistently misspelled that word? Did not Oswald already have a passport issued in 1959 what about that one?
For reference .... CE-781 Application for passport 1963--  https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_781.pdf

It did appear that NO beside Oswald's name in the telex did arouse concerns but, once investigated, it turned out there was nothing strange or unusual about the issuance of a passport to Oswald in 24 hours. All of the persons that applied in NO for passports got it within 24 hours. For the sources see https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=195&tab=page
 
and https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=33&tab=page
 
and Testimony of Abram Chayes V H 335

Mr. DULLES. Isn't it usual in issuing a passport though to look, in addition to the lookout card, to look at the file you have on the individual?
Mr. CHAYES. No, sir; unless there is a lookout card, the passport is issued automatically on the basis of the local agency's determination of citizenship. There has to be evidence of citizenship.
Now let me say there are different ways in which this can come up, because for example a man may apply for a passport before a clerk of the court and that application would be forwarded to the Department. But even then the Department adjudicator would first look at the lookout file. If there is no card in the lookout file, all he would do is determine whether the application was complete, and whether satisfactory evidence of citizenship was presented, and whether on the face of it, you know, the oath was properly taken or any supplementary questionnaire resolved doubts.
And then would issue the passport. If there were a supplemental questionnaire or something like that, then he would probably go to the file.
In our agency there are special passport issuing offices, New Orleans is one of the big ones, we have one in New York, we have some others, there the system is very routinized.
Daily, and sometimes more than once daily, the agency will telegraph by Telex the name, date, and place of birth of its applicants, the people who have come in that day to make an application.
Mr. COLEMAN. Could we mark as Exhibit No. 952 the teletype that came in on Oswald. I think that would help the Commission to indicate how it comes in.
(Commission Exhibit No. 952 was marked for identification and received in evidence.)
Mr. CHAYES. Yes.
Mr. COLEMAN. You had better explain the "NO" which is beside Oswald's name.
Mr. CHAYES. Yes; well here you see the Telex coming in from New Orleans, and there are 25 names on it with date of birth beside each name, and it is interesting that opposite Lee Harvey Oswald is capital letters "NO" which might be rather interesting except that it stands for New Orleans, and every Telex that comes from New Orleans has that mark on it. It is covered by our abbreviations manual, and one of your investigators made, of course with our knowledge in our office, but not in the Passport Office, a surprise visit to the Passport Office to make sure that they were, in fact, putting NO on these things, and they are. That is the designation of the office.
What happens is when these 25 names come in, the lookout file is searched for those names, and if there is no lookout card, then a responding Telex is sent back. It says here 561, OW561. That is this one, "All okay." OW is office to Washington. WO is Washington to office. So the control number of the outgoing from Washington is WO38, and it says that on your OW561, all the names were okay.
Now it is interesting, the Telex came in and it is stamped June 24, 4:19 p.m.--- June 24, 1963. It went out June 25, 10:57 a.m. and these 25 people all got the passports.
Now it is only on the basis of that kind of a system that you can get out a million passports in a way that really provides first class service to the American people. Miss Knight in her administration of the office, which extends back into the previous administration, has cut down the time from something like 2 weeks to 24 hours in most of the cases.
Mr. DULLES. Could the Passport Office itself prepare a lookout card on its own initiative on the basis let's say of a file like the Oswald file?
Mr. CHAYES. It would have prepared a lookout card on any person as to whom the file suggested that there were grounds for withdrawal, or denial of the passport......

In CE-1057 it was confirmed that it was routine for NO or NY to appear at the same location in the overwhelming majority of the telex. It was just a coincidence that NO appeared next to Oswlad's name.