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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #300 on: September 11, 2019, 09:29:37 PM »
A couple of points in rebuttal and then I believe I'll take a hiatus
With that I'll take my leave...and wish you well....

Yeah, well make ita bloody long one and do us all a favour. Why would anyone post that on a forum anyway? Did you imagine every member was going to post back begging you not to go?   :'( :'(

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #301 on: September 12, 2019, 01:20:02 AM »
Russian speaking Oswald sent a letter in English to the Soviet Embassy?
Posted by: Steve M. Galbraith
? on: Today at 09:15:35 PM ? A managed story it seems. "They" didn't come along until after the assassination and contrived the whole incident. Where did the whole trip to Mexico story come from?
  And..Is this really our Harvey? A liaison there way back then?
 Dispatch HMMA-32243 of 13 June 1967, covering TX-1937 of 26 May 1967; Chapter IV, 38.
https://www.history-matters.com/pds/DP3_Overview.htm
I have searched every Oswald in Mexico City link possible since the thread was originally started and I cannot find one mention of one very important document....What about Oswald's passport? He had to have one to request a visa to Cuba...Russia....or Timbuktu.

  The application made...what happened to this new passport? Or, was it ever issued?A long super essay about everything here.........
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter3.html

Interesting read. Thanks!

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #302 on: September 12, 2019, 07:17:03 PM »
Oleg Nechiporenko, the then Vice Consul for the Soviet Consulate in Mexico City, recalled in his book on Oswald that on September 27th 1963 a man came to ask for a visa to the Soviet Union and:

"Presented his American passport, issued in the name of Lee Harvey Oswald. He also showed a marriage certificate to Marina Prusakova. Nechiporenko told historian Peter Dale Scott that he had not the slightest doubt that the man he met at the Soviet Embassy was Lee Harvey Oswald - or else "his identical twin".

From Nechiporenko's book: "Passport to Assassination", pp 66-67

And this: Patricia Winston, an Australian youg woman who along with her friend were on a bus headed to Mexico City: "It was on the bus to Mexico City that we encountered Lee Oswald. He heard us speaking English and wanted to talk to us, and so we talked about our travels and he told us that he'd been to Russia. He went, then, and got his passport and showed us the Russian stamp on his passport."

From PBS Frontline's "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?"
link:  https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/oswald/transcript/

And one more: Pamela Mumford accompanied Winston on the bus. She testified that she met and talked to Oswald on the bus headed towards Mexico City.

Here, in part, is her WC testimony:
Miss MUMFORD. I will have to refer to notes. Oh, yes; the first thing he told us was that he was from Fort Worth, in Texas. And he wanted to know where we had been, and we told him we were Australians. He wanted to know the places we had visited. We told him. And he mentioned that he had been in Japan while he was in the Marines, and that was the closest he had got to Australia and that he would very much like to go to Australia.
He then told us that he had been to Russia and asked whether we had ever been to Russia. We said no, and we told him of a friend of ours, a fellow Australian, who had been to Moscow, and her experiences there.
And we asked him what he was doing in Russia and did he have trouble getting in. He said that he was studying there. He had an apartment in Moscow and was studying. We didn't ask him what he was studying.
At this stage he showed us his passport that had a Russian stamp on it; some sort of a Russian stamp. And he didn't mention his Russian wife at all. But We noticed he had a gold wedding ring on his left hand.

source/link: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/mumford.htm

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #302 on: September 12, 2019, 07:17:03 PM »

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #303 on: September 12, 2019, 09:08:17 PM »
From Nechiporenko's book: 
I believe Mr Graves has posted about that.
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And this: Patricia Winston, an Australian young woman who along with her friend were on a bus headed to Mexico City: "It was on the bus to Mexico City that we encountered Lee Oswald. He heard us speaking English and wanted to talk to us, and so we talked about our travels and he told us that he'd been to Russia. He went, then, and got his passport and showed us the Russian stamp on his passport."
It seems strange or at least out of character for the normally recluse and snobby Lee to engage in friendly chit chat with a stranger and show them all of his confidential information. And what did he do...show them his expired passport? Supposedly--as I understand it---he had applied for a new one... 
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June 24, 1963: LHO applies for a new passport.
  http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm
...also don't we still wonder what ever happened to that particular passport [that could not possibly have had any Russian stamps in it]?
J Hoover wrote this memo on 11-22-63 ... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96&tab=page
Note that he stated that "Oswald was not a communist and that Oswald had been to Cuba on several occasions"
 

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #304 on: January 05, 2020, 02:57:11 AM »
Hoover was insane....  Power corrupts.....  Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.    Hoover was mad with power....He had his own small band of loyal agents who answered only to Hoover, and they would jump like puppets on a string at anything Hoover suggested.   They had sent Lee to MC to try to obtain a visa to Cuba. They wanted to tie Lee Oswald to Castro so that after they murdered JFK they could blame Castro and attack Cuba.
From an earlier reply...
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J Hoover wrote this memo on 11-22-63 ... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96&tab=page
Note that he stated that "Oswald was not a communist and that Oswald had been to Cuba on several occasions"
How did/could he possibly know that? Unless..there was indeed an imposter gallivanting around posing as Oswald.
The memo was sent to "his own small band of loyal agents"
No doubt Jane Edna Hoover played footsie with whoever had the drop on him...organized crime/mob/mafia whatever...  He knew Kennedy was going to retire him.
Oh don't forget...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking
Everybody wanted Havana back for their own personal playground.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #305 on: January 05, 2020, 04:48:27 PM »
From an earlier reply...How did/could he possibly know that? Unless..there was indeed an imposter gallivanting around posing as Oswald.
The memo was sent to "his own small band of loyal agents"
No doubt Jane Edna Hoover played footsie with whoever had the drop on him...organized crime/mob/mafia whatever...  He knew Kennedy was going to retire him.
Oh don't forget...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking
Everybody wanted Havana back for their own personal playground.

Everybody wanted Havana back for their own personal playground.

The Mob wanted Havana.... HL Hunt wanted Cuban oil and sugar production ....  (Incidentally HL Hunt and J.Edgar Hoover were close personal friends.... If Hoover needed financing for a project (  like paying a hit man to kill Marilyn Monroe) ) HL Hunt just dipped into his pocket and forked over the funds.

Notice that this memo was written about 3:01 CST 11 /22/63 ......And Hoover already has the story (Lies) created.   Lee had been arrested about an hour earlier.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96&tab=

Notice that Hoover says that Lee went to Cuba on several occasions but he wouldn't tell the FBI why he went to Cuba.   

Amazing!!...   WHEN would Lee have gone to Cuba on several occasions???    This document ( hoover memo)  is astounding...What a pack of lies!!
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #306 on: January 05, 2020, 05:06:01 PM »
From an earlier reply...How did/could he possibly know that? Unless..there was indeed an imposter gallivanting around posing as Oswald.
The memo was sent to "his own small band of loyal agents"
No doubt Jane Edna Hoover played footsie with whoever had the drop on him...organized crime/mob/mafia whatever...  He knew Kennedy was going to retire him.
Oh don't forget...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking
Everybody wanted Havana back for their own personal playground.

The memo was sent to "his own small band of loyal agents"

No the memo was NOT sent to his private secret band of loyal agents.....  That memo was sent to his staff ....   Hoover had a band of "extra Special "  Special agents like Guy Bannister and Henry Wade...  Who allegedly were "retired" FBI agents, but in reality were still on Hoover's payroll.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #307 on: January 05, 2020, 09:30:30 PM »
  "extra Special "  Special agents like Guy Bannister and Henry Wade...  Who allegedly were "retired" FBI agents, but in reality were still on Hoover's payroll.
Xtra special...OK Thumb1:
 But we know that Wade was not really a retired agent--- only in the FBI four years ...however he was very much in the loop.
BTW Guy Banister was retired...a 20 yr service in the FBI..... ::) [20 years --woopie crap]
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #308 on: January 06, 2020, 03:01:15 PM »
Here are two links to photos of the draft notes/letter that Oswald wrote (experts concluded the handwriting was his) where he mentions going to Mexico City and visiting the Cuban and Soviet embassies/facilities.

Page One: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=467
Page Two: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=468&tab=page

Oswald would type a letter - using Ruth Paine's typewriter (FBI experts verified the letter was typed on it) - based on the above draft notes that he would send to the Soviet Embassy mentioning his visit. Both Ruth and Marina testified that they saw him type the letter. The handwriting on the envelope was verified as belonging to Oswald.

That letter is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=57&tab=page

We have numerous eyewitness accounts that Oswald went to MC, we have physical evidence, photos, letters, handwriting/signature, circumstantial evidence. If you don't want to believe he went to Mexico City then you have to argue that all of this was faked or planted or wrong. All of it.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #309 on: January 06, 2020, 04:09:46 PM »
Here are two links to photos of the draft notes/letter that Oswald wrote (experts concluded the handwriting was his) where he mentions going to Mexico City and visiting the Cuban and Soviet embassies/facilities.

Page One: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=467
Page Two: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=468&tab=page

Oswald would type a letter - using Ruth Paine's typewriter (FBI experts verified the letter was type on it) - based on the above draft notes that he would send to the Soviet Embassy mentioning his visit. Both Ruth and Marina testified that they saw him type the letter. The handwriting on the envelope was verified as belonging to Oswald.

That letter is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=57&tab=page

We have numerous eyewitness accounts that Oswald went to MC, we have physical evidence, photos, letters, handwriting/signature, circumstantial evidence. If you don't want to believe he went to Mexico City then you have to argue that all of this was faked or planted or wrong. All of it.

The information in the Letter to the Russian embassy was in reality intended for the FBI.    It is common knowledge that the FBI was reading all the mail that was sent through the US postal system to the Russian Embassy.  Lee was reporting that he had been unsuccessful in his mission to Mexico City.  He had been unable to obtain the Cuban visa. ( Duplicious Hoover had sent Lee to MC to try to obtain a Cuban Visa which would be used after the murder of JFK to connect Oswald to Cuba)

Recall in his memo of 3:01 PM  11 / 22 /63 Hoover wrote that Lee Oswald had been to Cuba several times, which was a damned lie, but Hoover thought that he could tie Lee Oswald to Castro, with that lie.

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