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Online Thomas Graves

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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2019, 09:57:43 PM »
Here is one of the copies of the transit visa that Oswald applied for when he visited the Cuban consulate in Mexico City. This was supplied by the Cuban government. The signature was identified as belonging to Oswald.

The Cuban official - Sylvia Turan Duran - who typed out the forms has said for more than 55 years that the man she met was Lee Harvey Oswald.



Yeah, Steve, and 5' 3.5" Sylvia Tirado de Duran described her "Oswald" as being short, blond-haired, blue-or-green-eyed, and weighing about the same as Eddie Lopez (199 119 lbs.).

Lee Harvey Oswald was 5' 9.5", brown-haired, grey-or-hazel-eyed, and weighed around 135 lbs.

"Third Secretary" KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov, however, was 5' 7", blond-haired, had blue eyes, and was, well, downright skinny.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Oh yeah, and Duran said her "Oswald" was cheaply dressed.

Isn't it interesting that the sweater vest Oswald was wearing in his Cuban Visa Application photo, above, was the same one he was wearing in three or four photos of him that were taken apparently fairly early on in his USSR sojourn?  Point being: that passport-sized photo of him could have been taken in Minsk, and in fact it is very similar in format of other photos in his "Minsk Scrap Book," or whatever it was called.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2019, 10:07:10 PM »
Read the books, Tom.  They're available free. Tell me - do you not find it the least bit intriguing what kind of ring LHO had on when he was arrested? Photos prove what it was. The two free books and the ring he had on are book ends.

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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2019, 11:36:25 PM »
Oswald saying - through the accounts given by Fritz and Hosty - that he didn't go to Mexico City is sufficient proof for you that he didn't go? That's all it takes?

Question please: You believe "they" set him up as going to Mexico City and then you believe "they" said he told them he didn't go to Mexico City? Why would they do this?

If they "set" him up why didn't they say he admitted to going there? He was dead; they could say he said anything.

You do realize that what you believe makes no sense at all? You have them framing him for going to MC and then saying he didn't go. Why would they do this?


Question please: You believe "they" set him up as going to Mexico City and then you believe "they" said he told them he didn't go to Mexico City? Why would they do this?

They = Hoover's "EXTRA Special" Special agents...

Because "THEY were setting him up as their patsy....Who Hoover wanted tied to Fidel Castro....

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2019, 01:39:06 AM »
Steve,

Who's to say that Ruth or Marina or someone else didn't type that letter and write that draft?

Fwiw, according to KGB defector Vasily Mitrokhin, the "Dear Mr. Hunt" letter was forged by the KGB to implicate the Military Industrial Intelligenge Complex in the assassination of JFK.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
There is no evidence that Ruth or Marina typed it. You can propose any scenario but without evidence all it is in an imaginary scenario. The signature on the letter was identified as being Oswald's.

The draft copy of the letter was found. It was written in Oswald's handwriting. There are details in the letter that only the real Oswald would have known about. Like his disagreement with Azcue; his need to leave because his visa was going to expire. Who else would know about these details since the evidence is overwhelming - to me - that he did visit the Cuban consulate.

Question: Why would the, as you suggest they were, KGB agents Ruth and Marina type this letter? I thought Oswald was working for the KGB too? Did they frame a fellow agent?

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2019, 01:44:42 AM »

Question please: You believe "they" set him up as going to Mexico City and then you believe "they" said he told them he didn't go to Mexico City? Why would they do this?

They = Hoover's "EXTRA Special" Special agents...

Because "THEY were setting him up as their patsy....Who Hoover wanted tied to Fidel Castro....
Then "they" cleared Castro of any involvement in their "fake" LBJ orchestrated investigation? Is that your argument?

Hoover framed Oswald to blame Castro and then he cleared Castro in his investigation? Hoover testified that Oswald alone killed JFK and that there was no foreign government involvement.

Second: if they framed him for Mexico City then why did FBI agent Hosty and Curry say he denied going there? He was dead. Hosty and Curry could have said he admitted going there. Why didn't Hoover order Hosty to say Oswald admitted he went to MC? You think this whole thing was orchestrated, a complete farce; so why not say he admitted going there? Again, he was dead. They could say anything and he couldn't refute it.

I mean at some point this has to make some sense, doesn't it?
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2019, 02:25:32 AM »
Here (below) is the draft copy of the letter that Oswald sent the Soviet Embassy in Washington 
He would then type a letter - using Ruth Paine's typewriter 
Russian speaking Oswald sent a letter in English to the Soviet Embassy?
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The Cuban official - Sylvia Turan Duran - who typed out the forms has said for more than 55 years that the man she met was Lee Harvey Oswald.
A managed story it seems. "They" didn't come along until after the assassination and contrived the whole incident. Where did the whole trip to Mexico story come from?
 
...similar in format of other photos in his "Minsk Scrap Book," or whatever it was called.
And..
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.From whatever source, rumors of a Duran-Oswald sexual relationship were soon floating through the US Embassy in Mexico City in the first week after the assassination, when they were heard by an FBI agent, Larry Keenan, who had been sent down by Washington.[46] A Cuban exile who was also a CIA agent, Salvador Diaz Verson, claimed to have heard in the offices of the Mexico City newspaper Excelsior, on November 25, that the DFS had learned from Durán that Oswald "had contacted DURAN, and had stayed in her home in Mexico City."[47] (Silvia Durán herself testified that the DFS had given the results of her first interrogation to Excelsior, where a version of them was published.)[48] As late as 1967 Durán reportedly told a CIA agent, LIRING-3, that in her November 23 interrogation she had been "interviewed thoroughly and beaten until she admitted that she had an affair with Oswald."[49] CIA Station Chief Win Scott later reported on this Phase-One allegation as a fact, "the fact that Silvia Durán had sexual intercourse with Lee Harvey Oswald on several occasions when the latter was in Mexico City."[50]
A decade later Durán confirmed to the House Assassinations Committee staff that she had been questioned about sexual relations with Oswald, which she linked to the claim that "we were Communists and that we were planning the Revolution."[51]
..... all the time they tell me that I was a Communist...and they insisted that I was a very important person for...the Cuban Government and that I was the link for the International Communists -- the Cuban Communists, the Mexican Communists and the American Communists, and that we were going to kill Kennedy, and I was the link. For them I was very important.
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Is this really our Harvey? A liaison there way back then?
 Dispatch HMMA-32243 of 13 June 1967, covering TX-1937 of 26 May 1967; Chapter IV, 38.
https://www.history-matters.com/pds/DP3_Overview.htm
I have searched every Oswald in Mexico City link possible since the thread was originally started and I cannot find one mention of one very important document....What about Oswald's passport? He had to have one to request a visa to Cuba...Russia....or Timbuktu.

 
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New passport: Oswald's plans to depart
between Oct-Dec 1963 and spend a year
in the USSR and elsewhere.
The application made...what happened to this new passport? Or, was it ever issued?
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Most people agree that a man calling himself Oswald visited Mexico City for a few days between the 27th of September and the 2nd of October. Most people agree that he went back and forth on the 27th between the Cuban consulate and the Soviet consulate - trying to get a visa to visit both countries and failing at both - with one last stab at the Soviet consulate on the 28th. At the Cuban consulate, consul Eusebio Azcue insisted that the man he met was not Oswald.
A long super essay about everything here.........
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter3.html
 

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2019, 02:38:47 AM »
There is no evidence that Ruth or Marina typed it. You can propose any scenario but without evidence all it is in an imaginary scenario. The signature on the letter was identified as being Oswald's.

The draft copy of the letter was found. It was written in Oswald's handwriting. There are details in the letter that only the real Oswald would have known about. Like his disagreement with Azcue; his need to leave because his visa was going to expire. Who else would know about these details since the evidence is overwhelming - to me - that he did visit the Cuban consulate.

Question: Why would the, as you suggest they were, KGB agents Ruth and Marina type this letter? I thought Oswald was working for the KGB too? Did they frame a fellow agent?

..."but without evidence"... IOW, how do you react in argument to, "well, so & so passed a polygraph...."?
https://digitalcommons.law.utulsa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2617&context=tlr
Cases Involving the Reliability of Handwriting Identification Expertise ........

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 02:40:12 AM »

[...]

Question: Why would the, as you suggest they were, KGB agents Ruth and Marina type this letter? I thought Oswald was working for the KGB too? Did they frame a fellow agent?

Steve,

I have already shown that triple-agents Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov (misspelled "Byetkov" in Angleton's June 19, 1975 Church Committee testimony) planted a Kremlin-protecting and ultimately Angleton-damaging "WW III virus" in Oswald's CIA file.

How?

By the former's making KGB officer Valiery Kostikov's name "radioactive," and the latter's "volunteering" said radioactive name to an Oswald impostor over a sure-to-be-tapped Soviet Embassy phone line on 10/01/63.

The "Kostin letter" can be reasonably construed as a clever supplement to the above-mentioned stategim.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 04:30:02 AM »
Then "they" cleared Castro of any involvement in their "fake" LBJ orchestrated investigation? Is that your argument?

Hoover framed Oswald to blame Castro and then he cleared Castro in his investigation? Hoover testified that Oswald alone killed JFK and that there was no foreign government involvement.

Second: if they framed him for Mexico City then why did FBI agent Hosty and Curry say he denied going there? He was dead. Hosty and Curry could have said he admitted going there. Why didn't Hoover order Hosty to say Oswald admitted he went to MC? You think this whole thing was orchestrated, a complete farce; so why not say he admitted going there? Again, he was dead. They could say anything and he couldn't refute it.

I mean at some point this has to make some sense, doesn't it?

The original plot ( plot "A")  Hoover and the others had plotted to make it appear that Lee Oswald was a Casro agent, and they planned to attack Cuba in retaliation....  When LBJ learned that Russia had nuclear bombers in the air and ready to bomb  NYC They backed away and called for back up plot "B".... Hang the murder on that dumbass Lee Harvey Oswald who they knew they could easily frame ...especially if the sucker could be shot while trying to flee the TSBD....   

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 08:40:34 AM »
....  When LBJ learned that Russia had nuclear bombers in the air and ready to bomb  NYC They backed away and called for back up plot "B"....

Where's the citation for the claim?

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