Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

[Colin Crow]

Brennan definitely identified both Jarman and Norman. Read his testimony.

That?s because Williams was not with them at the time. Not so sure about who he identified but the important information was there were only two on the fifth floor. Brennan did not get into position sitting on the wall until the ambulance officers had attended to Belknap.....12.24.

Brennan likely saw Williams, wearing khaki, leave the SN to join them and assumed it to be the assassin.

[Walt Cakebread]

Brennan definitely identified both Jarman and Norman. Read his testimony.

At the time Brennan worked with an author to write a book, he had seen quite a few funerals of witnesses who had had fatal accidents, and he saw  the handwriting on the wall.    He had testified and realized that LBJ's "Special Blue Ribbon Committee" was not seeking the truth .... Citing his book is about the same as citing the Warren Report....or Alice in Wonderland.....   

[Oscar Navarro]

What Norman said......

"About 12:15 P.M. on this same date, after I had eaten my lunch, I went to the fifth floor of the building to watch the parade of the President pass the building. Bonnie Ray Williams and James Jarman, who also worked at this building went with me." 12/4/63

Not a specific time but an approximation.......

What did he say on March 18?

When did Jarman say they all went up?

When did Williams say they all went up in his first day statement? Of course after that his "story" changed.

I posted this on January 31st and have yet to see your response to the matter addressed. Let me give you another opportunity to do so;

"The salient point that proves what!!! Tell me if I'm correctly summarizing your theory;

1) According to you BRW was at one point in the SN and that Jarman and Norman were covering for BRW by claiming they all walked together to the fifth floor.

2) This coverup is supposed to have begun soon after all three were taken in for questioning.

My questions are;

A) Why did the narrative change during the WC testimony to reflect that BRW had not walked together with Norman and Jarman to the fifth floor

B) How does the pre-WC testimony jive with Givens testimony that he was with Jarman and Norman only...no BRW

Mr. GIVENS. When I got down to the first floor Harold Norman, James Jarman and myself, we stood over by the window, and then we said we was going outside and watch the parade, so we walked out and we stood there a while, and then I said, "I believe I will walk up to the parking lot."

C) Did BRW join Jarman and Norman after Givens left? If he did where the heck was BRW before he joined Jarman and Norman?

D) If BRW saw Oswald in the SN so what? The Dillard photo and the testimony of Jarman and Norman and that of Brennan exonarate BRW from being an accesory to the crime. I mean, why would Jarman and Norman risk themselves for being accesories to the crime by covering up for BRW if they thought he had something to do with the crime. By accesory to the crime I mean that's the only fear that would cause BRW to believe he was in any danger and needed Norman and Jarman to cover for him. It's only logical to me that if BRW had seen Oswald in the SN, even if BRW didn't see the rifle and thought Oswald was just one of the many watching the motorcade, that once he and Junior and Norman heard the shots coming from right above, that BRW would not be so stupid as to not put two and two together and tell his fifth floor buddies that he just saw Oswald were the shots came from.

F) Why would Jarman and Norman go along with covering for BRW if it was an innocent encounter?

G) Being an accesory to a murder, especially to that of the POTUS, is a pretty serious offense. Do you really believe that David Belin would have gone along with the coverup? Do you really believe that David Belin would not have brought out in the open an attempt at a cover up of any kind?"


After you have addressed the above post I'll have a better idea of what all this Three Stooges stage act is all about.

[Oscar Navarro]

That?s because Williams was not with them at the time. Not so sure about who he identified but the important information was there were only two on the fifth floor. Brennan did not get into position sitting on the wall until the ambulance officers had attended to Belknap.....12.24.

Brennan likely saw Williams, wearing khaki, leave the SN to join them and assumed it to be the assassin.

That's not it. Belin wanted to find out if Brennan could have had a good view of Oswald on the SN so he challenged Brennan's ability to recognize individuals on the fifth floor windows as being one and the same as the two whom he saw while being questioned by the police. It's an interesting story as told in Belin's book You Are The Jury. When I get a chance I'll post the exchanges as they were transcribed during Brennan's testimony.

[Oscar Navarro]

At the time Brennan worked with an author to write a book, he had seen quite a few funerals of witnesses who had had fatal accidents, and he saw  the handwriting on the wall.    He had testified and realized that LBJ's "Special Blue Ribbon Committee" was not seeking the truth .... Citing his book is about the same as citing the Warren Report....or Alice in Wonderland.....

I'm not citing his book. It's from Brennan's WC testimony and from David Belin's You Are The Jury lends context.

[Colin Crow]

I posted this on January 31st and have yet to see your response to the matter addressed. Let me give you another opportunity to do so;

"The salient point that proves what!!! Tell me if I'm correctly summarizing your theory;

1) According to you BRW was at one point in the SN and that Jarman and Norman were covering for BRW by claiming they all walked together to the fifth floor.

2) This coverup is supposed to have begun soon after all three were taken in for questioning.

My questions are;

A) Why did the narrative change during the WC testimony to reflect that BRW had not walked together with Norman and Jarman to the fifth floor

B) How does the pre-WC testimony jive with Givens testimony that he was with Jarman and Norman only...no BRW

Mr. GIVENS. When I got down to the first floor Harold Norman, James Jarman and myself, we stood over by the window, and then we said we was going outside and watch the parade, so we walked out and we stood there a while, and then I said, "I believe I will walk up to the parking lot."

C) Did BRW join Jarman and Norman after Givens left? If he did where the heck was BRW before he joined Jarman and Norman?

D) If BRW saw Oswald in the SN so what? The Dillard photo and the testimony of Jarman and Norman and that of Brennan exonarate BRW from being an accesory to the crime. I mean, why would Jarman and Norman risk themselves for being accesories to the crime by covering up for BRW if they thought he had something to do with the crime. By accesory to the crime I mean that's the only fear that would cause BRW to believe he was in any danger and needed Norman and Jarman to cover for him. It's only logical to me that if BRW had seen Oswald in the SN, even if BRW didn't see the rifle and thought Oswald was just one of the many watching the motorcade, that once he and Junior and Norman heard the shots coming from right above, that BRW would not be so stupid as to not put two and two together and tell his fifth floor buddies that he just saw Oswald were the shots came from.

F) Why would Jarman and Norman go along with covering for BRW if it was an innocent encounter?

G) Being an accesory to a murder, especially to that of the POTUS, is a pretty serious offense. Do you really believe that David Belin would have gone along with the coverup? Do you really believe that David Belin would not have brought out in the open an attempt at a cover up of any kind?"


After you have addressed the above post I'll have a better idea of what all this Three Stooges stage act is all about.

And I posted this response the same day......

"The salient point is it establishes when Brennan could begin to observe the TSBD. I gather you understand that is his significance as a witness. Don't you? He saw stuff happening.....we are establishing when he might have seen that stuff.....with some degree of accuracy using the ambulance references in the transcripts. Not his vague recollection of an estimated time. He saw a clock at 12.16pm. He also saw them pick up the man. I assume "them" refers to the ambulance staff. Unless you know of anyone else who "picked up the man". We know when that happened by cross reference to the transcripts.

As for my theory......you did well until point 1) after that you failed to summarise accurately. Sorry. Point 2 is incorrect from the information we have at hand that I explained previously.

Find out what we can agree on. Do you agree or disagree that Williams first day statement indicates he did not got back to the 6th floor but went with Jarman and Norman and "just after" they got there they saw the motorcade pass. Does this sound like around 12.25pm to you for their arrival? It was only a couple of hours since the assassination when he wrote that."

if you are going to summarise someone?s theory at least get it right. Perhaps go back and read the original statements and work out why you think the planned deception started after they were taken in for questioning and not before.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm not citing his book. It's from Brennan's WC testimony and from David Belin's You Are The Jury lends context.

Brennan's WC testimony is not much better than his book....  Brennan wasn't stupid....He realized immediately that there was a skunk lurking nearby when the cops took him to the police station and twisted his arm ( figuratively) to identify Lee Oswald as the man that he said that he had seen aiming a hunting rifle out of a TSBD window. They refused to allow him to say that the man was not Lee Oswald....and badgered him by asking how he could be sure the man wasn't Oswald.   Brennan replied " Well for one thing Oswald was dressed differently than the man I saw"   The man that I saw was wearing light colored khaki clothing, just as I wrote in my sworn affidavit this afternoon.... And another reason that I'm sure that Oswald isn't the man is because he's a lot skinnier than the man that I saw, that man weighed at least 165 pounds, and Oswald looks to be about 130 pounds" 

I believe that Brennan was under the illusion that the Warren Commission was truly looking for the truth, until they stated questioning him and twisting his words...He then became aware that it wasn't the DPD alone who were covering up the murder ....and the authorities had made veiled threats ( suggestions) that his family could be in danger.    Brennan took the hint.....