Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #238 on: February 02, 2019, 10:40:14 PM »
The several witnesses who either saw the sniper shooting (A), part of the gun being withdrawn(B), what appeared to be something that could be a gun(C), or movement after the third shot(D) are;

1) Howard L. Brennan(A)

2) Amos Lee Euins(A)

3) Robert H. Jackson(B)

4) Mrs. Earle Cabell(C)

5) James N. Crawford(D)

Since when is seeing "movement" evidence of anything?

Brennan does not belong in category A.

Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle discharge, did you see the recoil or the flash?
Mr. BRENNAN. No.
Mr. McCLOY. But you heard the last shot.
Mr. BRENNAN. The report; yes, sir.

Besides Brennan never said how he knew the guy in position for the final shot (and thus blocked by boxes) was the same guy he saw earlier sitting on the window sill.  Perhaps he just assumed it.  He also never explained how how could see the guy from the belt up at the time of the last shot.

Brennan embellished his story more and more every time he told it.  Have you read his book?

Only Euins actually claimed to see a person firing a rifle, and the person he saw had a bald spot.  He also told one reporter that it was a "colored man".

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #239 on: February 02, 2019, 10:43:00 PM »
Arnie initially said the figure in the west window was about 10-12 feet (or so) back of the window, but later changed that to 3-5 feet or so. This is one reason why the investigators interviewed him often, and checked his backstory thoroughly.

How inconsistent.   ::)

How about the guy who initially said he couldn't identify the guy he saw in the lineup and then later changed that to "I really could -- I pinkie swear it"?  Who checked his back story?

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #240 on: February 02, 2019, 10:52:34 PM »
If Oswald had been in the Domino room at 12:25, he must have come down, from the 2nd floor lunchroom, abandoning his favorite place to eat alone occasionally,

Where'd you get that, Zeon?


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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #241 on: February 02, 2019, 10:56:41 PM »
On the 24th Oswald told Inspector Holmes "when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated 'You go down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes.' Before he could finish whatever he was doing , he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and he went downstairs".

This should give you a flavor of how much Holmes was paying attention to what was being said during that interrogation:

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke."

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #242 on: February 02, 2019, 11:15:43 PM »
How inconsistent.   ::)

How about the guy who initially said he couldn't identify the guy he saw in the lineup and then later changed that to "I really could -- I pinkie swear it"?  Who checked his back story?

Excellent point, Mr I....  The cops said they didn't take Benavides in to view a line up, because he said that he couldn't Identify the killer.  When inreality Benavides told them that He'd seen Lee's picture on TV and he knew that he couldn't ID Lee as the Killer.    They only wanted witnesses that were unsure.... or those that were easily manipulated.   

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #243 on: February 02, 2019, 11:47:59 PM »
Since when is seeing "movement" evidence of anything?

Brennan does not belong in category A.

Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle discharge, did you see the recoil or the flash?
Mr. BRENNAN. No.
Mr. McCLOY. But you heard the last shot.
Mr. BRENNAN. The report; yes, sir.

Besides Brennan never said how he knew the guy in position for the final shot (and thus blocked by boxes) was the same guy he saw earlier sitting on the window sill.  Perhaps he just assumed it.  He also never explained how how could see the guy from the belt up at the time of the last shot.

Brennan embellished his story more and more every time he told it.  Have you read his book?

Only Euins actually claimed to see a person firing a rifle, and the person he saw had a bald spot.  He also told one reporter that it was a "colored man".

Brennan never said how he knew the guy in position for the final shot (and thus blocked by boxes) was the same guy he saw earlier sitting on the window sill.  Perhaps he just assumed it.

Yes, I think that's exactly right, Brennan ASSUMED that it was the same guy..... And I think it was an excellent assumption.... Unless there was more than one man up there dressed in light colored Khaki clothing, who was in his early thirties, and weighed between 165 and 175 pounds.

  He also never explained how how could see the guy from the belt up at the time of the last shot.

Really??? Hmmmm....  "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight"......

Brennan said he could see the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up....and he saw the man let the gun down to his side .....

Is there some stance besides standing that Brennan could have witnessed these actions from down on ELm street??

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #244 on: February 03, 2019, 12:43:11 AM »
How inconsistent.   ::)

How about the guy who initially said he couldn't identify the guy he saw in the lineup and then later changed that to "I really could -- I pinkie swear it"?  Who checked his back story?

His wife

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