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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #2290 on: July 12, 2018, 02:21:59 PM »
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Good.  The questions you ask are stupid.


Why would Dougherty have seen it just because LMR saw it? Sheesh. Yet another stupid comment.

Ray you are talking to yourself again.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
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« Reply #2291 on: July 12, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »
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LMR's observations can not be used to make an accurate determination of the size of the paper bag.

She was shown the actual paper bag that she was meant to have seen earlier that morning and failed to positively ID it.

BWF did the same thing.

Hence, the only two witnesses that saw Lee with a paper bag on the morning of 22/11/1963 failed to ID the paper bag (CE 142) taken from the TSBD. The paper bag was not stained and according to Jack Nessan, the wind blew all the finger print dust from it.

BWF has never changed his mind about the paper bag.

Two completely different paper bags.

Clearly, Lee didn't have CE 142 that morning.



They used a tape measure to accurately measure her recollections of the length of the bag. It was mweasured at 27 inches and 28 1/2 inches

She identified the paper and the color. She was shown the stained bag and identified the color of the paper on the unstained portion.

There would have been three except LHO hid the bag upon entering the TSBD before encountering Dougherty.

The wind and dust concept seems to cause you a lot of anguish. It is good to see you understand it and accept the reality of it. Do you really think a 23 mph wind would not have blown all the excess dust off the bag?

Just want to be sure, you know not to pee into a 23 mph wind right? Pass it along to Colin, Tom, and Ray will you.

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« Reply #2292 on: July 12, 2018, 02:29:16 PM »
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J I M  E W E L L, N E W S R E P O R T E R, No More Silience

"Jerry was holding that box and holding up one of the chicken bones exclaiming to everybody that listened to him down on the street that the fried chicken was what he hadbeen eating.


How did Jim know that Jerry stated that "the fried chicken was what he had been eating"?

He heard him.

How do you know that Jerry simply didn't place the chicken lunch sack back down on the floor, prior to being photographed, and then tried to get the attention of the Detectives on the ground? His shouting drawing the attention of the photographer?

A chicken lunch sack was initially seen at the SN on a box, noted by Mooney and Hill and then a chicken lunch sack was photographed by Studebaker to Jerry's right hand side on the floor next to the two wheeler.

Doesn't take a genius to work out what happened Jack.

The chicken lunch sack was picked up from the box in the SN by Jerry brought over to the window where he stuck his head out and then placed back down on the ground.

Studebaker would of course had no idea what Jerry did prior to his arrival with the camera.

No wind required either  ;D


"Doesn't take a genius to work out what happened Jack."


Genius would never be confused as a description of this story. Goofy maybe is a better description.


"The chicken lunch sack was picked up from the box in the SN by Jerry brought over to the window where he stuck his head out and then placed back down on the ground."

It doesn't sound any better than when Colin said it. In fact it is completely idiotic to think that anybody would do that.

Do you two have any "probable" or "improbable" filter at all as to the reality of these theories? In this imaginary scenario you actually believe a detective would walk into the SN grab a chicken and lunch sack from in front of the other detectives and walk to another window and wave it around and yell down to the street about it and then turn around and throw it on the floor, and then put his hat back into his hand and then call for the crime lab detectives to come up. This is actually disturbing that you actually think this is a possibility.

Colin's statement was basically Hill's hat was really a piece of chicken. Wow



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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #2293 on: July 12, 2018, 06:39:50 PM »
I'm just checking in once again.  Has it been explained how Oswald's prints got on the bag if the bag was constructed after the assassination?

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« Reply #2294 on: July 12, 2018, 10:01:51 PM »
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I'm just checking in once again.  Has it been explained how Oswald's prints got on the bag if the bag was constructed after the assassination?

Hi Bill,

Did you ever ask Ruth if it was actually her that left the light on in her garage on 21/11/1963? She seemed to think it was Lee with, you know, zero evidence.

To answer your question, how could Lee leave his partial prints on an item he never constructed nor was seen with?

How did Fritz know that a paper bag (CE 142) was in the evidence room? He never saw it in the TSBD.

Hope you can answer these questions next time you provide your deep analysis.  ;D

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« Reply #2295 on: July 12, 2018, 10:10:05 PM »
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"Doesn't take a genius to work out what happened Jack."


Genius would never be confused as a description of this story. Goofy maybe is a better description.


"The chicken lunch sack was picked up from the box in the SN by Jerry brought over to the window where he stuck his head out and then placed back down on the ground."

It doesn't sound any better than when Colin said it. In fact it is completely idiotic to think that anybody would do that.

Do you two have any "probable" or "improbable" filter at all as to the reality of these theories? In this imaginary scenario you actually believe a detective would walk into the SN grab a chicken and lunch sack from in front of the other detectives and walk to another window and wave it around and yell down to the street about it and then turn around and throw it on the floor, and then put his hat back into his hand and then call for the crime lab detectives to come up. This is actually disturbing that you actually think this is a possibility.

Colin's statement was basically Hill's hat was really a piece of chicken. Wow

Jack "two shot" Nessan = master troll.

You are the new Mr Gee. Congratulations.

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« Reply #2296 on: July 12, 2018, 10:18:19 PM »
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They used a tape measure to accurately measure her recollections of the length of the bag. It was mweasured at 27 inches and 28 1/2 inches

She identified the paper and the color. She was shown the stained bag and identified the color of the paper on the unstained portion.

There would have been three except LHO hid the bag upon entering the TSBD before encountering Dougherty.

The wind and dust concept seems to cause you a lot of anguish. It is good to see you understand it and accept the reality of it. Do you really think a 23 mph wind would not have blown all the excess dust off the bag?

Just want to be sure, you know not to pee into a 23 mph wind right? Pass it along to Colin, Tom, and Ray will you.

Jack,

What is your evidence that, at that precise moment, CE 142 was hit with a 23 mph wind on both sides? What is your HARD evidence that anyone had dusted CE 142 in situ?

You don't believe Mooney nor Hill, what confidence do you have with Studebaker? Why?

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #2297 on: July 13, 2018, 06:54:41 AM »
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Hi Bill,

Did you ever ask Ruth if it was actually her that left the light on in her garage on 21/11/1963? She seemed to think it was Lee with, you know, zero evidence.

To answer your question, how could Lee leave his partial prints on an item he never constructed nor was seen with?

How did Fritz know that a paper bag (CE 142) was in the evidence room? He never saw it in the TSBD.

Hope you can answer these questions next time you provide your deep analysis.  ;D

So no explanation on how Oswald's prints got on a bag that was supposedly constructed after Oswald had left the building.

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« Reply #2298 on: July 13, 2018, 09:49:27 AM »
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So no explanation on how Oswald's prints got on a bag that was supposedly constructed after Oswald had left the building.

Bill,

When Fritz filed for the murder of JFK at 11.26 pm he went through the evidence first. What evidence did he specifically link to lee Harvey Oswald that convinced him that Lee had assassinated JFK?

There were no prints on CE 139 and CE 142 at that stage (Friday evening) but he did have two witnesses (BWF and LMR) that saw Lee carry a paper bag.

So did Fritz see CE 142 on Friday evening?

Why did Fritz threaten physical violence on BWF and ask him to sign a false confession? Why was BWF  arrested and interrogated for hours on end?

What is your opinion that neither BWF or LMR IDed the unstained CE 142 on Friday evening?

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #2299 on: July 13, 2018, 02:06:29 PM »
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Jack "two shot" Nessan = master troll.

You are the new Mr Gee. Congratulations.


All talk and no answers. This theory lacks any and all continuity. One thought never leads to or explains another. How about come up with a theory that answers some questions instead of creating imaginary new ones.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #2299 on: July 13, 2018, 02:06:29 PM »