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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1480 on: March 25, 2018, 08:26:39 AM »
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"Each of the persons named was called in rebuttal and denied that portion of appellant's testimony set forth above. There is, therefore, no undisputed fact in this record that would render the confessions inadmissible."

Your response is one of ignorance. What else do you think they (especially Fritz) were going to say to the young African American, Tim? Agree with him? It was a turkey shoot, especially if you were an African American male accused of rape or murder of a white female in the deep South.

There was nothing forensically linking the accused to the victim yet he got sent to the electric chair. Regrettably there was no chance of a DNA test back in the day. However, l am at present reading a book on the manner in which Wade worked in obtaining convictions.

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Shameful. Many prisoners had been wrongly convicted (often with very long sentences) by WADE based on false confessions, lying witnesses, corruption and faked evidence.

Why is this relevant to the JFK assassination?

Can you imagine if BRW admitted to Fritz that he was up on the 6th floor up until 12.25 pm while eating his lunch in the SE corner?

Interesting that three African-Americans in NORMAN, JARMAN and WILLIAMS, didn't hear or see a thing. They knew their deep south history well.

The assassination took place in Texas and Wade was the District Attorney and Captain Fritz was head of the Dallas Police Department's Robbery-Homicide unit.

What was particular interesting was this by Waldo about the "scared Negro"

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1481 on: March 25, 2018, 10:26:17 AM »
Who had determined that BWF was "involved" in the assassination?

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1482 on: March 28, 2018, 03:02:45 AM »
To stop the derailing of other peoples's threads please discuss CE 142 and any other paper bag you want to in here.

What did BWF see?

Start at 26.06




Start at 5.30


An excellent interview where BWF discusses his arrest and interrogation.

Captain Fritz want him to sign a confession.

Commence at 15.00 for discussion about the paper bag

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1483 on: March 28, 2018, 04:08:51 AM »
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To stop the derailing of other peoples's threads please discuss CE 142 and any other paper bag you want to in here.


4:55
Frazier: I say two feet, give or take an inch.

6:00
Meros: If we take an inch,it could be an inch shorter.
Frazier: It could be, but it also could be an inch or two longer than two feet.


6:25
Meros: Now, when you walked to the School Book Depository you stayed back with the car for a moments.
Frazier: Yeah.
Meros: He walked out ahead of you.
Frazier: Yes he did.
Meros: And when he walked out ahead of you could you even see the package?
Frazier: No.


LOL! Hi Tony.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1484 on: March 28, 2018, 04:25:51 AM »
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4:55
Frazier: I say two feet, give or take an inch.

6:00
Meros: If we take an inch,it could be an inch shorter.
Frazier: It could be, but it also could be an inch or two longer than two feet.


6:25
Meros: Now, when you walked to the School Book Depository you stayed back with the car for a moments.
Frazier: Yeah.
Meros: He walked out ahead of you.
Frazier: Yes he did.
Meros: And when he walked out ahead of you could you even see the package?
Frazier: No.


LOL! Hi Tony.


As a point of measurement of the paper bag that Buell constructed (24 inches) - it fitted between his armpit and cupped hand.

Buell was taller than LHO. Since we have a recent photo of Lee standing in front of a height chart, we can measure the same distance - ~ 20 inches.

We don't need a guesstimate from either Buell or Linnie mae - we have a photo of Lee with his arms straight down his sides.

Further the paper bag constructed by Buell was much narrower than CE 142. CE 142 never did have a fold along its length to make it smaller nor a fold at the open end, nor was it tapered or taped at the open end.

You fail to comprehend, that no one saw Lee with CE 142. Buell made that abundantly clear.

Why can't you accept it?






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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1485 on: March 28, 2018, 05:06:50 AM »
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As a point of measurement of the paper bag that Buell constructed (24 inches) - it fitted between his armpit and cupped hand.

Buell was taller than LHO. Since we have a recent photo of Lee standing in front of a height chart, we can measure the same distance - ~ 20 inches.

We don't need a guesstimate from either Buell or Linnie mae - we have a photo of Lee with his arms straight down his sides.

Further the paper bag constructed by Buell was much narrower than CE 142. CE 142 never did have a fold along its length to make it smaller nor a fold at the open end, nor was it tapered or taped at the open end.

You fail to comprehend, that no one saw Lee with CE 142. Buell made that abundantly clear.

Why can't you accept it?

How does a man, who is 5'9" in height, cup one end of a bulky package 23 inches in length in his right hand and have the other end tucked under his right armpit? Was Lee Oswald an orangutan?
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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1486 on: March 28, 2018, 05:33:30 AM »
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How does a man, who is 5'9" in height, cup one end of a bulky package 23 inches in length in his right hand and have the other end tucked under his right armpit? Was Lee Oswald an orangutan?




Excellent point Tim, and why can no CT explain why Oswald would lie about the package?

In fact whenever Oswald was questioned about the rifle evidence, he lied.

1. The backyard photos were faked.
2. The Neely street address was omitted
3. His package in Frazier's car was on the back seat.
4. His lunch in Frazier's car was on his lap.
5. He denied owning the rifle.
6. etc etc...



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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1487 on: March 28, 2018, 05:40:01 AM »
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How does a man, who is 5'9" in height, cup one end of a bulky package 23 inches in length in his right hand and have the other end tucked under his right armpit? Was Lee Oswald an orangutan?

On the assumption that both brother and sister saw a paper bag in Lee's possession that morning - then the maximum that the paper bag could have been would have been the physical distance between Lee's armpit and cupped right hand ~ 20 inches. The paper bag could well have been smaller.

That trumps a guesstimate by either BWF, LMR and the FBI.

A 20 inch or smaller paper bag will not fit the wooden stock of CE 139 at 34.8 inches. This fact did not escape Mr Ball in 1964.

CE 142 was NOT 34.8 inches but 38 inches in length.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
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« Reply #1488 on: March 28, 2018, 05:45:24 AM »
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Excellent point Tim, and why can no CT explain why Oswald would lie about the package?

In fact whenever Oswald was questioned about the rifle evidence, he lied.

1. The backyard photos were faked.
2. The Neely street address was omitted
3. His package in Frazier's car was on the back seat.
4. His lunch in Frazier's car was on his lap.
5. He denied owning the rifle.
6. etc etc...

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We are talking about a paper bag - if he didn't have CE 142 in his possession that morning, how did Lee bring in CE 139?

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1489 on: March 28, 2018, 06:34:02 PM »
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In fact whenever Oswald was questioned about the rifle evidence, he lied.

And your evidence that Oswald lied is that you don't believe him.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1489 on: March 28, 2018, 06:34:02 PM »