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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2019, 11:13:56 PM »
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Do police officers normally pull out their revolvers when in the process of questioning a suspect?

The tale leads the sucker to believe that Lee Oswald was desperately fleeing a scene in which he had cold bloodily murdered the President of the US....   
If that was true then JD Tippit would not have been so stupid as to approach the insane killer without being prepared to defend himself....

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend?

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2019, 11:13:56 PM »

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2019, 12:42:22 AM »
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This is weird

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found

under his body by first respondents

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found under his body by first respondents

We ALL know nothing of the kind....There are several differing reports of where Tippit's revolver was found....

WE simply don't know where Tippit's revolver was found but it should be apparent that he DID NOT have it in his hand, because he never fired a single shot ...and he surely would have when he saw the man who was supposed to be an insane killer, pulling a gun.....

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2019, 01:20:12 AM »
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The tale leads the sucker to believe that Lee Oswald was desperately fleeing a scene in which he had cold bloodily murdered the President of the US....   
If that was true then JD Tippit would not have been so stupid as to approach the insane killer without being prepared to defend himself....

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend?


It's no tale, Cakebread. What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! Trying to guess what was on Tippit's mind when he stopped Saint Oswald is a red herring  when discussing Oswald's presence at 10th and Patton. What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald. What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person. Should he had drawn his revolver as Baker did when he confronted Oswald at the 2nd floor lunchroom is not an unreasonable question to ask but the circumstances were not the same. Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away. What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did. 

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2019, 01:20:12 AM »

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2019, 01:24:49 AM »
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This is weird

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found

under his body by first respondents

No, we don't know that for sure. Tippit may have been in the process of reacting to Oswald shooting at him or the revolver fell when Tippit hit the ground. This is immaterial to anything that has to do with Oswald shooting Tippit. What is of material importance is the fact that it was Oswald who shot Tippit. 

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2019, 01:39:51 AM »
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It's no tale, Cakebread. What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! Trying to guess what was on Tippit's mind when he stopped Saint Oswald is a red herring  when discussing Oswald's presence at 10th and Patton. What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald. What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person. Should he had drawn his revolver as Baker did when he confronted Oswald at the 2nd floor lunchroom is not an unreasonable question to ask but the circumstances were not the same. Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away. What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did.

What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! 

Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald.

I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person.

And you know this. how?

Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away.

Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?

What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did. 

Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2019, 01:39:51 AM »

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2019, 01:40:52 AM »

EB a credible witness specifically said so

So yeah,we do know for sure


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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2019, 02:10:33 AM »
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What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! 

Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald.

I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person.

And you know this. how?

Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away.

Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?

What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did. 

Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?

Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

Trying to flee. It's possible he was on his way to a bus line that would eventually take him to Mexico.

I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

I believe a description probably given by Brennan went out at 12:45, 12:48, and 12:55 PM

"Attention all squads, attention all squads. The suspect at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. Slender build, height five feet, ten inches. Weight one-hundred sixty five pounds. reported to be armed with what is thought to be a thirty caliber rifle. ...No further description at this time". 12:45 KKB-364  Reclaiming History, page 64.

And you know this. how?

"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote.

Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?


Yep!

Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?


Tippit did more than just stop Oswald. He also got out of his cruiser. But now you're the one who's speculating about the nature of the chat.







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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2019, 02:10:33 AM »

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2019, 08:18:20 PM »
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"Attention all squads, attention all squads. The suspect at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. Slender build, height five feet, ten inches. Weight one-hundred sixty five pounds. reported to be armed with what is thought to be a thirty caliber rifle. ...No further description at this time".

How does this "closely match Oswald"?  Or even the person who Tippit stopped (as described by the witnesses)?

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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2019, 08:18:20 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2019, 08:28:17 PM »
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"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote.

This is based on an HSCA interview of dispatcher Murray Jackson.

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Note that this is a summary, and not a verbatim transcript.

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Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2019, 08:32:26 PM »
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Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

Trying to flee. It's possible he was on his way to a bus line that would eventually take him to Mexico.


You clearly have never been to 10th/Patton.

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I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

I believe a description probably given by Brennan went out at 12:45, 12:48, and 12:55 PM

"Attention all squads, attention all squads. The suspect at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. Slender build, height five feet, ten inches. Weight one-hundred sixty five pounds. reported to be armed with what is thought to be a thirty caliber rifle. ...No further description at this time". 12:45 KKB-364  Reclaiming History, page 64.


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And you know this. how?

"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote.


Oh well, when Bugs claims it, it must be true, right?

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Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?

Yep!


Amazing? now you are psychic as well?

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Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?


Tippit did more than just stop Oswald. He also got out of his cruiser. But now you're the one who's speculating about the nature of the chat.

No, I am not speculating about anything. We know that the killer talked to Tippit before the latter got out of his car. Seems a very strange way for a police officer to approach a potential murder suspect who could be armed, that's all?.

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