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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
« Reply #148 on: September 17, 2013, 04:58:23 PM »
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:sheeshxx:

Go ahead and bang your palm against your head and then tell me JC's right hand, holding the white Stetson,

and his right shoulder aren't knocked forward by a outside force, "after" JFK has already reacted to the apparent

throat wound.
OK I will tell you exactly that. Now you tell me precisely, how a man who has been shot less than a second earlier moves.

Dumb question.

How they did react is what counts.

If you choose to ignore those reactions I can only assume you are trying to avoid the obvious in support of a pro-WC agenda.
Absolutely correct. It is how they reacted that counts. Its just that you can't attribute shot chronology to those reactions. That is, unless you can admit that both men are reacting at the same time. The Zfilm clearly shows that. And no one has yet to explain where a separate shot landed. Where is the bullet that hit only JFK??

Because you are a WC defender you have to be a Hypocrite. You never explain where your miss shot went.
Lots of kooks have offered other theories about where the JFK bullet went. Mark Fuhrman thinks it is what hit the
chrome topping. Some people think the two large fragments found in the front seat area came from two separate
bullets. There's your extra bullet. Added together they make up only 40% of an Oswald bullet. Tell us where the missing 60% went. You are  a Hypocrite.



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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
« Reply #149 on: September 17, 2013, 10:37:55 PM »
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:sheeshxx:

Go ahead and bang your palm against your head and then tell me JC's right hand, holding the white Stetson,

and his right shoulder aren't knocked forward by a outside force, "after" JFK has already reacted to the apparent

throat wound.
OK I will tell you exactly that. Now you tell me precisely, how a man who has been shot less than a second earlier moves.

Dumb question.

How they did react is what counts.

If you choose to ignore those reactions I can only assume you are trying to avoid the obvious in support of a pro-WC agenda.
Absolutely correct. It is how they reacted that counts. Its just that you can't attribute shot chronology to those reactions. That is, unless you can admit that both men are reacting at the same time. The Zfilm clearly shows that. And no one has yet to explain where a separate shot landed. Where is the bullet that hit only JFK??

Because you are a WC defender you have to be a Hypocrite. You never explain where your miss shot went.
Lots of kooks have offered other theories about where the JFK bullet went. Mark Fuhrman thinks it is what hit the
chrome topping. Some people think the two large fragments found in the front seat area came from two separate
bullets. There's your extra bullet. Added together they make up only 40% of an Oswald bullet. Tell us where the missing 60% went. You are  a Hypocrite.



That's the nicest thing you have ever called me marsh. You must be getting soft in your dotage.

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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
« Reply #150 on: October 25, 2013, 02:51:06 AM »
Hi all! I'm new to this site but not to the topic. About this piece of film - in the split second before JFK and JC react or move, just as they appear from behind the sign, in front of the umbrella man they look to be reacting to something someone has said audible to them only on their side of the vehicle. Did the umbrella man say something derogatory to them or JFK? Just before they were shot?!

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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
« Reply #151 on: October 25, 2013, 01:50:23 PM »
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Because you are a WC defender you have to be a Hypocrite. You never explain where your miss shot went.
Lots of kooks have offered other theories about where the JFK bullet went. Mark Fuhrman thinks it is what hit the
chrome topping. Some people think the two large fragments found in the front seat area came from two separate
bullets. There's your extra bullet. Added together they make up only 40% of an Oswald bullet. Tell us where the missing 60% went. You are  a Hypocrite.

Fuhrman's "Simple Act Theory" doesn't work. One reason: Too much upward deflection at the throat transit.



The bullet didn't touch the T1 process (what happened was pressure form the missile channel causes the process to crack and be displaced momentarily; when the missile passed, the displaced bone piece returned to its original position--that's why it was overlooked at autopsy). Therefore, there's nothing to warrant Fuhrman's amount of upward deflection that makes the bullet arrive at the windshield strip. His top drawing has the President too upright, but that's another matter.

Why would anybody think the two large fragments found in the front seat area came from two separate bullets? Ever hear tell of Occam's Razor? Simplify if possible--it's the more likely scenario.

Oswald's Sniper's Nest head-shot disintegrated and left behind dozens of small metal fragments. Two large fragments ended up on the front seat. One of those hit the steel windshield strip, making the dent. Fragments and gore going forward was what prompted Greer and Kellerman to duck in reaction.

A fragment from one of Oswald's shots went down to indirectly hit Tague. There is much debate after which shot; no one knows for sure.

   

It is possible for a large fragment from the head-shot to have gone beyond the windshield area and down towards where Tague was. There wouldn't have been much deflection. The fragment would have gradually lost momentum and descended in flight.

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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
« Reply #152 on: October 25, 2013, 02:14:23 PM »
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Hi all! I'm new to this site but not to the topic. About this piece of film - in the split second before JFK and JC react or move, just as they appear from behind the sign, in front of the umbrella man they look to be reacting to something someone has said audible to them only on their side of the vehicle. Did the umbrella man say something derogatory to them or JFK? Just before they were shot?!

Hi Brendan. Welcome.

You are quite right to notice Kennedy looking at the Umbrella Man. "TUM" was there to protest Kennedy's re-election bid, reminding people that Joesph Kennedy once thought co-existence with Hitler was somehow better than a world war in which millions of people would die (not just mostly soldiers, but the vast majority this time would be civilians, as terror bombing over cities was the big deterrent at the time).

I guess the Umbrella Man (a Young Republican and Goldwaterite, I would guess) wanted world war. Those Young Republicans would get a good taste of war (and it wasn't even total war) in Vietnam, and by about 1970--when they were killing villagers-- it seems they had had enough. Hee hee, those Republicans War-Hawks fold pretty quickly, don't they--wouldn't last a week on the Eastern Front in WWII. When they went into Iraq and Afghanistan, it was all about the people there; but a few years later, it all about getting their soldiers home.

Kennedy saw the Umbrella Man protester and immediately knew the significance of the umbrella (the umbrella symbolized the British "appeaser" Neville Chamberlain). As the car reached the sign, Kennedy stopped smiling and withdrew his wave. I would think the Umbrella Man never shouted to Kennedy (his protest was mute and visual).

Connally seems to be looking towards Zapruder, although I think he is in the midst of turning from his far right after unsuccessfully trying to see the President over his right shoulder. Connally said he was going to try swinging his head around and look over his left shoulder, and that--as he got to looking forward--he felt the blow to his back from the bullet impact.




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Re: Zapruder - Throat Shot Stabilized Sequence By Martin Hinrichs
« Reply #153 on: October 26, 2013, 12:51:50 AM »
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Because you are a WC defender you have to be a Hypocrite. You never explain where your miss shot went.
Lots of kooks have offered other theories about where the JFK bullet went. Mark Fuhrman thinks it is what hit the
chrome topping. Some people think the two large fragments found in the front seat area came from two separate
bullets. There's your extra bullet. Added together they make up only 40% of an Oswald bullet. Tell us where the missing 60% went. You are  a Hypocrite.

Fuhrman's "Simple Act Theory" doesn't work. One reason: Too much upward deflection at the throat transit.



The bullet didn't touch the T1 process (what happened was pressure form the missile channel causes the process to crack and be displaced momentarily; when the missile passed, the displaced bone piece returned to its original position--that's why it was overlooked at autopsy). Therefore, there's nothing to warrant Fuhrman's amount of upward deflection that makes the bullet arrive at the windshield strip. His top drawing has the President too upright, but that's another matter.

Why would anybody think the two large fragments found in the front seat area came from two separate bullets? Ever hear tell of Occam's Razor? Simplify if possible--it's the more likely scenario.

Oswald's Sniper's Nest head-shot disintegrated and left behind dozens of small metal fragments. Two large fragments ended up on the front seat. One of those hit the steel windshield strip, making the dent. Fragments and gore going forward was what prompted Greer and Kellerman to duck in reaction.

A fragment from one of Oswald's shots went down to indirectly hit Tague. There is much debate after which shot; no one knows for sure.

   

It is possible for a large fragment from the head-shot to have gone beyond the windshield area and down towards where Tague was. There wouldn't have been much deflection. The fragment would have gradually lost momentum and descended in flight.

I am not defending Fuhrman's theory, just pointing out that some people have
tried to account for where that bullet went.
I also believe the two large fragments can from the same bullet, but you can't
prove it. And Frazier said he couldn't be sure.
And stop relying on Occam's Razor just because you can't prove something.
Baden said the bullet grazed the tip of T1. Humes didn't see it because he was
incompetent. If you can't get Furhrman's bullet up to hit the chrome topping then
you can get a fragment from the head shot up over the parade bar and down to hit
the curb near Tague.