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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2018, 08:24:29 PM »
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Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."

Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."

Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."

Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

So Lee Oswald told Fritz that he saw two of the TSBD employees who were Negroes come in while he was on the first floor. One of them was called "junior"  ...We know that those two employees were Junor Jarman and Harold Norman who testified that they did in fact enter the the shipping room through the back door at about 12:27.   

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2018, 08:24:29 PM »

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2018, 09:45:08 PM »
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Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

So Lee Oswald told Fritz that he saw two of the TSBD employees who were Negroes come in while he was on the first floor. One of them was called "junior"  ...We know that those two employees were Junor Jarman and Harold Norman who testified that they did in fact enter the the shipping room through the back door at about 12:27.   

Sigh.  It's like talking to a brick wall.

Walt's fabrication:  "Lee said that he had observed Junior Jarman and Harold Norman ( he didn't know them by their names)  enter the back door of the TSBD"

Reports of the people present at the interrogation:
Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."

Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."

Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."

Do you see the words "back door" in any of those reports?

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2018, 10:27:40 PM »
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This attempt at changing what FBI Agent Hosty wrote is quite similar to Hosty trying to change the words on DPD Detective Jack Revill's memo to Captain Ganaway ......Hosty acknowledges that he told Detective Revill everything that Revill wrote in the memo ...except.. the last paragraph...  Which says...

" Agent Hosty further stated that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was aware of the subject ( Oswald) and they had information that the subject ( Oswald) was capable of committing the assassination of President Kennedy."

Hosty denied saying that to Revill....  But he cannot explain why Revill would write that if he (Hosty ) hadn't said it.

Similarly the note about the rifle says what it says....."Mr Truly had rifle and two others"

It may help to add an adjective  to the truncated entry....  Mr Truly had (THIS) rifle and two others...or...Mr Truly had ( THE) rifle and two others......   


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Similarly the note about the rifle says what it says....."Mr Truly had rifle and two others"

No.

Hosty's note does not say that at all.

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2018, 10:27:40 PM »

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2018, 10:28:55 PM »
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Sigh.  It's like talking to a brick wall.

Walt's fabrication:  "Lee said that he had observed Junior Jarman and Harold Norman ( he didn't know them by their names)  enter the back door of the TSBD"

Reports of the people present at the interrogation:
Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."

Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."

Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."

Do you see the words "back door" in any of those reports?


Do you see the words "back door" in any of those reports?

Duh!...Most people with the ability to reason know that Jarman and Norman both said that they walked North along the east side of the TSBD to the loading dock and then walked west on the loading dock to the back door of the shipping room and entered at that door......

But apparently you, Mr Iacoletti, can't comprehend this simple idea......
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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2018, 10:32:54 PM »
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Certainly looks like an "and ' sign to me. not an inverted caret.

Please zoom in.

Why would you refer to the notes of Will Fritz when we're debating whether Hosty used an inverted caret or an ampersand logo? 
« Last Edit: January 26, 2018, 10:37:15 PM by Bill Brown »

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2018, 12:21:58 AM »


Iccy's pic looks legit.



To me both these look like they represent the same symbol.



Hosty's rough notes are just designed to be a reminder for when he makes a more detailed report later.
Does it make sense to write that Truly had a rifle and two others(rifles) wouldn't you just say Truly had three rifles?
Alternatively Hosty could be saying that Oswald told him Truly had a rifle and there were two others(people) who also saw the rifle?


Mr. BALL. Didn't he say that he had seen a rifle at the building?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he told me he had seen a rifle at the building 2 or 3 days before that Mr. Truly and some men were looking at.

Mr. McCLOY. Did you notice that Oswald said in the course of his interview by Captain Fritz that he had not had a rifle but he had seen a rifle in the Possession of Mr. Truly?
Mr. HOSTY. Right.




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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2018, 02:17:27 PM »
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Why would you refer to the notes of Will Fritz when we're debating whether Hosty used an inverted caret or an ampersand logo?

I thought you were going to say that Fritz used a caret as well. :)

I noticed you didn't answer my question yet again.
i.e As I said before Hosty, probably wouldn't have known what a caret was.

And if he did why would he mistakenly use it?
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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2018, 01:45:53 PM »
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I thought you were going to say that Fritz used a caret as well. :)

I noticed you didn't answer my question yet again.
i.e As I said before Hosty, probably wouldn't have known what a caret was.

And if he did why would he mistakenly use it?

I thought you were going to say that Fritz used a caret as well. :)

If Fritz used a caret it would have been orange  and huge......  And he would have used it in a threatening manner ...like threatening to insert it in a suspect's nose.....

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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2018, 01:45:53 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2018, 01:31:49 PM »
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This attempt at changing what FBI Agent Hosty wrote is quite similar to Hosty trying to change the words on DPD Detective Jack Revill's memo to Captain Ganaway ......Hosty acknowledges that he told Detective Revill everything that Revill wrote in the memo ...except.. the last paragraph...  Which says...

" Agent Hosty further stated that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was aware of the subject ( Oswald) and they had information that the subject ( Oswald) was capable of committing the assassination of President Kennedy."

Hosty denied saying that to Revill....  But he cannot explain why Revill would write that if he (Hosty ) hadn't said it.

Similarly the note about the rifle says what it says....."Mr Truly had rifle and two others"

It may help to add an adjective  to the truncated entry....  Mr Truly had (THIS) rifle and two others...or...Mr Truly had ( THE) rifle and two others......   

If Hosty had been referring to TWO other men when he wrote..."  Mr Truly had  rifle and two others..." Then when he referred to that note in writing his report why did he simply refer to those others as "individuals" and not specifically TWO other men.??

Here's how Hosty  transcribed the information ...

"Oswald stated that he had observed a MR. Truly  ( phonetic) a supervisor at the Texas Schoolbook Depository on Wednesday November 20, 1963, display a rifle, to some individuals in his office on the first floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository, but denied ever owning a rifle himself."


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Re: Green Beans, Peas and Inverted Carets
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2018, 02:52:25 PM »
Can someone post Hosty's note without the top line cut off, or least give me a citation where I can go look at it?
Does that top line read 3:15, or 2:15?

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