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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2018, 04:35:29 PM »


We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

Yes, that's right.....The "sling" would have to be tied around the hand grip area of the rifle just to the rear of the trigger guard. And if it were tied around the hand grip it would be visible in the photo.... But it is not ....and the reason it is not visible is because the "sling" isn't really attached to the rifle.  It is merely an artist's addition to the photo.


Now then since you're desperately trying to confuse the discussion, Let's take a look at 133C  ( which incidentally didn't appear until 1972) 



One of the most glaring differences in the "slings" when comparing Ce 133A with 133c  is:  that is apparent the the "sling in CE 133A appears to be a flat strap, or a much larger diameter rope than is seen in 133c

We can see that the "sling" in 133c appears to be made from light "clothesline" rope.....As I recall the FBI examiner used the term "flimsy light weight rope" in referring to what appears to be a sling in 133c.   

At any rate it's obvious that the "sling" in 133C appears to be smaller diameter rope than the "sling in CE 133A.

Another glaring problem with 133c is the bottom of the "sling" is attached too far forward  to be looped through the rear sling loop on the left side of the stock. The actual measurement of that sling loop is exactly two inches forward of the butt plate. 

And when viewing 133c,  the sling loop would have to be about four inches from the butt plate

And what's more....The distance (space) between the wood of the stock and the metal of the sling mount is only 1/8".

IOW....A rope of the diameter( 3/8")  shown in the photo (133C) would be too large to pass between the wooden stock and the metal rod.
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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2018, 10:34:08 PM »

One of the most glaring differences in the "slings" when comparing Ce 133A with 133c  is:  that is apparent the the "sling in CE 133A appears to be a flat strap, or a much larger diameter rope than is seen in 133c

We can see that the "sling" in 133c appears to be made from light "clothesline" rope.....As I recall the FBI examiner used the term "flimsy light weight rope" in referring to what appears to be a sling in 133c.   

At any rate it's obvious that the "sling" in 133C appears to be smaller diameter rope than the "sling in CE 133A.
 

There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.

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Another glaring problem with 133c is the bottom of the "sling" is attached too far forward  to be looped through the rear sling loop on the left side of the stock. The actual measurement of that sling loop is exactly two inches forward of the butt plate. 

And when viewing 133c,  the sling loop would have to be about four inches from the butt plate

Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?

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And what's more....The distance (space) between the wood of the stock and the metal of the sling mount is only 1/8".

IOW....A rope of the diameter( 3/8")  shown in the photo (133C) would be too large to pass between the wooden stock and the metal rod.
 

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2018, 11:05:22 PM »
 

There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
 

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.



Who's to say Oswald (or someone else) didn't replace that sling with some "clothesline rope" before the assassination?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2018, 11:52:19 PM »
 

There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
 

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

OK...And thank you for your honesty, and posting the photo of the rear sling mount.

So it seems that some artist added what appears to be a sling to the photo....Just as I said.

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2018, 04:14:09 PM »
 

There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
 

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.


Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.


I have measured the depth of the divot.  It is .275"  (7mm) deep, but the round diameter of the pin of the sling mount, makes the space somewhat smaller than .275".  The leather sling on my carcano is .141' inches thick and that sling just barely passes through the space.   

Bottom Line ...  If the "sling" in the photo were in reality a rope, that rope would have to be less than .150 " or 4mm in diameter.   IOW the "sling"would be about the diameter of heavy twine..... And it would be nearly invisible in the photo.

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2018, 05:17:47 PM »


Not saying this particular magazine does, but sometimes the "Special" magazines have some good-resolution photographs and film grabs.

There is an interesting photo on page 27...  The photo shows the Lincoln with Clint Hill clinging onto the rear of the car and the triple underpass is in the background.   The caption on the photo reads: " The presidential limousine  speeds away from Dealey Plaza on it's way to Parkland Hospital"   The photo was taken with the camera pointing south,  from a high angle, from the area where the stockade fence and the railroad bridge meet.  The Lincoln is passing the left side of a 1963 light colored Chevy Impala. ( which I find odd...  Because I can't imagine where that Chevy came from???)

I don't know who took the photo, nor do I recall ever having seen this photo....It is a bit blurred.   

Here's an example of the accuracy of the booklet....From page 62... 

Quote..."The term "magic bullet" describes the second shot that hit Kennedy near his spine. It passed through his neck and hit John Connally in the back exiting his chest and shattering his right wrist and finally lodged itself  in Connally's left thigh. The bullet, Exhibit 399 in the Warren Commission investigation, was recovered from Connally's thigh at Parkland Hospital later that day."  Unquote

Does anybody see any error in the above statement?? 

This booklet is chock full of gross "inaccuracies"  (lies) like this...  It's a LNer's dream....
 

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2018, 08:43:37 PM »
 

There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
 

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

What happened, Jerry....  Did your computer lock up?

Offline Eddie Haymaker

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2018, 09:04:28 PM »
None of this really matters guys

We have seen the Zapruder film

He was shot through the right temple

It's as clear as day

move on

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2018, 11:49:14 PM »
None of this really matters guys

We have seen the Zapruder film

He was shot through the right temple

It's as clear as day

move on

Oh, but it DOES matter....  The FBI weren't numbskulls.... They knew everything that has been posted on the subject of the difference between the  TSBD carcano, and the carcano in the BY photo......but instead of telling us the truth...They lied and covered up the truth.


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Re: Who Killed Kennedy
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2018, 03:40:30 PM »
Oh, but it DOES matter....  The FBI weren't numbskulls.... They knew everything that has been posted on the subject of the difference between the  TSBD carcano, and the carcano in the BY photo......but instead of telling us the truth...They lied and covered up the truth.

Back in the day....The FBI had access to all of the information that researchers have diligently uncovered and presented.
Thanks to the internet, and computers, we now know a portion of what they knew...when LBJ was in control.   

Thanks to computers we can now examine evidence like the BY photo and see with our own eyes details that they knew way back in 1963.  We no longer have to accept their lies...  They KNEW that the carcano in Lee's hands in the B.Y. photo DID NOT match the carcano that was found in the TSBD. .... But they pretended that they couldn't determine if it was, or was not, the same rifle.  Then they invented a fanciful tale about Lee fabricating a sling for the rifle so it would appear that the TSBD rifle was the same rifle that Lee held in his hand when the photo was taken. 

 

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