Who Killed Kennedy

[Bill Chapman]

My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.

The point is.... FBI photo experts examined the photo... They most certainly knew that what appeared to be a sling was added to the photo and is definitely an alteration of the photo...

Have you ever seen any official acknowledgement that the photo has been altered?

LOL

Tell us specifically what about the strap leads you to believe it was faked?

Time for your nap
Now eat your cookie an drink your milk.

[Bill Chapman]

My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.

The point is.... FBI photo experts examined the photo... They most certainly knew that what appeared to be a sling was added to the photo and is definitely an alteration of the photo...

Have you ever seen any official acknowledgement that the photo has been altered?

LOL

Tell us specifically what about the strap leads you to believe it was faked.

Time for your nap
Now eat your cookie and drink your milk.

[Jerry Organ]

My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.

I believe part of the sling got between Oswald's left hand and the rifle in CE-133A. Another portion of the sling is seen by the bolt action.

CE-133B		CE-133C

Other photos (above) show the full sling and its attachment points on the left side of the rifle, where both mounts were. CE-133A doesn't show the left side of the rifle. But there are in CE-133A what could be rope strands in the area of a metal band that went around the rifle's forestock. This band also supported a vertical metal loop that acted as the forward sling mount. Thus the forward end of the sling in CE-133A was tied to the sling mount but we can only see some loose rope strands that are beyond the knot.



Both sling mounts are on the left side of the rifle, as seen in this photo (below) of a Carcano which has a replica of the improvised leather sling that was found on the rifle in the Depository. This sling--the one in evidence--differs from the ad hoc rudimentary sling seen in the Backyard Photos.

[Walt Cakebread]

I believe part of the sling got between Oswald's left hand and the rifle in CE-133A. Another portion of the sling is seen by the bolt action.

CE-133B		CE-133C

Other photos (above) show the full sling and its attachment points on the left side of the rifle, where both mounts were. CE-133A doesn't show the left side of the rifle. But there are in CE-133A what could be rope strands in the area of a metal band that went around the rifle's forestock. This band also supported a vertical metal loop that acted as the forward sling mount. Thus the forward end of the sling in CE-133A was tied to the sling mount but we can only see some loose rope strands that are beyond the knot.



Both sling mounts are on the left side of the rifle, as seen in this photo (below) of a Carcano which has a replica of the improvised leather sling that was found on the rifle in the Depository. This sling--the one in evidence--differs from the ad hoc rudimentary sling seen in the Backyard Photos.

Jerry, let's not attempt to confuse this very simple statement ( the photo that you presented)



This photo clearly shows that what an ignorant fool might believe is a sling , is in reality merely a addition to the photo to fool a sucker into believing that the rifle has a sling attached to it.   As you can see in the photo of the replica carcano the rear sling loop is only a couple inches from the butt plate of the rifle ....and the imaginary sling in the BY photo CE 133A would have to be attached about ten inches forward of the butt plate......

[Jerry Organ]

Jerry, let's not attempt to confuse this very simple statement ( the photo that you presented)

This photo clearly shows that what an ignorant fool might believe is a sling , is in reality merely a addition to the photo to fool a sucker into believing that the rifle has a sling attached to it.   As you can see in the photo of the replica carcano the rear sling loop is only a couple inches from the butt plate of the rifle ....and the imaginary sling in the BY photo CE 133A would have to be attached about ten inches forward of the butt plate......

We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

[Walt Cakebread]

We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

Jerry the photo being discussed is CE 133A... The one that you posted...Now stop trying to introduce another photo   133c...

[Walt Cakebread]

We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

Yes, that's right.....The "sling" would have to be tied around the hand grip area of the rifle just to the rear of the trigger guard. And if it were tied around the hand grip it would be visible in the photo.... But it is not ....and the reason it is not visible is because the "sling" isn't really attached to the rifle.  It is merely an artist's addition to the photo.


Now then since you're desperately trying to confuse the discussion, Let's take a look at 133C  ( which incidentally didn't appear until 1972) 



One of the most glaring differences in the "slings" when comparing Ce 133A with 133c  is:  that is apparent the the "sling in CE 133A appears to be a flat strap, or a much larger diameter rope than is seen in 133c

We can see that the "sling" in 133c appears to be made from light "clothesline" rope.....As I recall the FBI examiner used the term "flimsy light weight rope" in referring to what appears to be a sling in 133c.   

At any rate it's obvious that the "sling" in 133C appears to be smaller diameter rope than the "sling in CE 133A.

Another glaring problem with 133c is the bottom of the "sling" is attached too far forward  to be looped through the rear sling loop on the left side of the stock. The actual measurement of that sling loop is exactly two inches forward of the butt plate. 

And when viewing 133c,  the sling loop would have to be about four inches from the butt plate

And what's more....The distance (space) between the wood of the stock and the metal of the sling mount is only 1/8".

IOW....A rope of the diameter( 3/8")  shown in the photo (133C) would be too large to pass between the wooden stock and the metal rod.

[Jerry Organ]

One of the most glaring differences in the "slings" when comparing Ce 133A with 133c  is:  that is apparent the the "sling in CE 133A appears to be a flat strap, or a much larger diameter rope than is seen in 133c

We can see that the "sling" in 133c appears to be made from light "clothesline" rope.....As I recall the FBI examiner used the term "flimsy light weight rope" in referring to what appears to be a sling in 133c.   

At any rate it's obvious that the "sling" in 133C appears to be smaller diameter rope than the "sling in CE 133A.

There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.

Another glaring problem with 133c is the bottom of the "sling" is attached too far forward  to be looped through the rear sling loop on the left side of the stock. The actual measurement of that sling loop is exactly two inches forward of the butt plate. 

And when viewing 133c,  the sling loop would have to be about four inches from the butt plate

Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?

And what's more....The distance (space) between the wood of the stock and the metal of the sling mount is only 1/8".

IOW....A rope of the diameter( 3/8")  shown in the photo (133C) would be too large to pass between the wooden stock and the metal rod.

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.