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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2018, 07:39:47 PM »
Still waiting for Alan to honestly answer the undeniable proof of Calvery's short-length sweater...

Once again Mr Ford is not telling the truth...I did answer it...It shows that Lovelady is further back and west in the portal in order to meet the shadow where he does...

This is silly...

As Alan shows us, most Prayer Man "research" involves taking given things that are obvious in the evidence and trying to make them otherwise in order to force the bogus Prayer Man theory to fit...
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2018, 11:58:12 PM »
Mr Buell Wesley Frazier, WC testimony:

Mr. Shelley was standing, you know, back from the top step and over toward the side of the wall there. See, he was standing right over there, and then Billy was a couple of steps down from me over toward more the wall also.



------------Mr Lovelady several steps down, over by the wall
------------Mr Shelley up on the landing, also over by the wall
------------At some point between these Hughes frames and Wiegman, Mr Shelley goes inside
------------Mr Lovelady takes several steps back and ends up in the Prayer Man position.

Possible?

I would love to see a photo of Mr Joe Molina from 1963!

Could he be the figure in (what looks like) blue standing behind Lovelady and to his right-------in the 'Lovelady-in-Wiegman-and-Altgens' sweet spot?



We know this figure cannot be Mr Frazier himself, as Mr Frazier was wearing a light-colored shirt!

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2018, 12:53:48 AM »
Problem!

While 'Mr Lovelady' in Wiegman looks surprisingly bald on top------------



------------we do see the signature bit of Lovelady hair-in-front in Altgens:



But!

When I look at an original wirephoto-----------



----------I cannot help being struck by the fact that it shows a man of comparable bald-on-topness to Wiegman's 'Lovelady'!

Alteration? Oh no, not necessarily at all, at least not deliberate alteration.

Could it be that the bit of hair coming down in front in later-Altgens is not a bit of hair at all, but an unfortunate common-or-garden splotchy anomaly that has crept into the image?



That's quite a tuft the cropped-haired Mr Lovelady of 11/22/63-------------



---------------seems to have in the later iteration of Altgens!

Prayer Man's hair, by contrast, would fit the bill capitally!


 
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2018, 11:05:17 PM »
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Mr Harry D. Holmes recalls Mr Oswald claiming an encounter with a police officer in the front lobby:

He said, ?I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions..."

--------------------------------------------------------2!!-------------------------------------------------------

Mr James Jarman recalls Mr Billy Lovelady's having witnessed this event:

Well, there was a Billy Lovelady standing out there, he was on the steps, see... And, Oswald was coming out the door and he said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building. Billy Lovelady said that Mr. Truly told the policeman that Oswald was alright, that he worked there, so Oswald walked on down the stairs.

If Mr Lovelady, still out on the steps, saw this encounter on the far side of the glass doors, then he will have misinterpreted the officer's reason for addressing Mr Oswald as having been a hostile one.

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The below, from The Washington Post on 11/23/63, is just one of multiple press reports conveying the official DPD line on an encounter between Mr Oswald and a police officer at the front entrance:



Sorry, friends, but it stretches all credulity to suggest that these mutual corroborations are coincidental.

The Baker-Oswald encounter happened in the front lobby, not in the second-floor lunchroom!



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Offline Larry Trotter

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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2018, 12:00:25 AM »
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--------------------------------------------------------1!-------------------------------------------------------

Mr Harry D. Holmes recalls Mr Oswald claiming an encounter with a police officer in the front lobby:

He said, ?I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions..."

--------------------------------------------------------2!!-------------------------------------------------------

Mr James Jarman recalls Mr Billy Lovelady's having witnessed this event:

Well, there was a Billy Lovelady standing out there, he was on the steps, see... And, Oswald was coming out the door and he said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building. Billy Lovelady said that Mr. Truly told the policeman that Oswald was alright, that he worked there, so Oswald walked on down the stairs.

If Mr Lovelady, still out on the steps, saw this encounter on the far side of the glass doors, then he will have misinterpreted the officer's reason for addressing Mr Oswald as having been a hostile one.

--------------------------------------------------------3!!!-------------------------------------------------------

The below, from The Washington Post on 11/23/63, is just one of multiple press reports conveying the official DPD line on an encounter between Mr Oswald and a police officer at the front entrance:



Sorry, friends, but it stretches all credulity to suggest that these mutual corroborations are coincidental.

The Baker-Oswald encounter happened in the front lobby, not in the second-floor lunchroom!

  As I am having a difficulty trying to reconcile the posted comments with the statements of record by the persons being referenced, perhaps pertinent statements can be found available among said testimony.

 Testimony of HarryHolmes:
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2018, 12:43:20 AM »
Warren Commission Exhibit No. 203, as published by the WC:



No splotch!

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Photo published in New York Herald Tribune, May 1964:



Splotch!





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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2018, 09:45:28 PM »
Mr Roy Edward Lewis is here on the right, beside Mr Carl Edward Jones.
Note how short he is...



Here's what Mr Lewis told Larry Sneed in 1998:



Why hello, Mr Lewis!:





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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2018, 12:49:20 PM »
Mr-Lovelady-in-Altgens' left arm is not his left arm. It's the raised arm of someone out in the street!



I believe we can make out Mr Roy Edward Lewis's head behind the hand   Thumb1:




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