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Offline Alan Ford

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Bill Shelley on Steps
« on: December 01, 2018, 01:56:58 AM »
A bit of assistance needed!

Who--------apart from Mr Billy Lovelady, Mr Buell Wesley Frazier and Ms Sarah Stanton---------mentioned seeing Mr Bill Shelley on the Depository front steps during the motorcade?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2018, 02:39:49 AM »
Curious...why would it matter where Shelley was?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2018, 12:47:54 PM »
Curious...why would it matter where Shelley was?

It could matter very much indeed!

I'm troubled by a number of things, starting with.............

-------------in his March 1964 FBI statement, Mr Shelley erroneously puts Carolyn Arnold on the front steps for the motorcade
-------------in his Warren Commission testimony, he erroneously puts Lloyd Viles on the front steps for the motorcade
-------------his own account of his movements post-assassination are wildly inconsistent
-------------the person with whom he says he had an exchange out on the 'island' just happens to be the woman at whose wedding he was best man a few months ago (= Ms Gloria Calvery)
-------------he cannot be confidently identified in any assassination or aftermath photos
-------------we get inconsistent statements as to his position on the steps from Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier
-------------his claim that he saw Mr Truly and Officer Baker "fixin' to" run into the Depository building some 3+ minutes (!) after the shooting sounds like an invented 'memory'

Did Mr Shelley put in an appearance on the steps several minutes before the motorcade, notice Mr Lloyd Viles and Ms Carolyn Arnold in the area, get noticed by Ms Stanton, and then go back in the building?

Did Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier cover for him?

Is it possible that the explanation for the 3+ minutes nonsense had nothing to do with Ms Vickie Adams and everything to do with Ms Gloria Calvery?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2018, 05:29:39 PM »
Alan,   Could you please expound? 
Yes please do.  Are you suggesting that Mr Shelley was involved in the assassination?
Alan Ford.....
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Just thinking out loud here!
Understand that 'thoughts' can seem convoluted unless a specific implication is provided.
So what are we getting at here with Shelley?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2018, 05:36:43 PM »
Yes please do.  Are you suggesting that Mr Shelley was involved in the assassination?
Alan Ford.....Understand that 'thoughts' can seem convoluted unless a specific implication is provided.
So what are we getting at here with Shelley?

Mr Freeman, I'm merely suggesting that taking Mr Shelley off those steps explains a number of problems with his story.

As to where that leads, well how about we start with the question, Why would he lie about this?--------and see where it takes us...  Thumb1:

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2018, 07:39:32 PM »
Mr.  SHELLEY.  He (Eddie Piper) was coming back from where he was watching the motorcade in the southwest corner of the shipping room.

Has Mr Shelley slipped up here? How on earth could he have been on the first floor himself in time to see this? ???

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 07:44:08 PM »
Mr Graves, the ID of Ms Calvery in Betzner & Zapruder looks solid to me, but not the one in Darnell.

My tentative thinking re. Ms Calvery's being the reason for Mr Shelley's distended sense of time
-------------------Mr Joe Molina's testimony gives to understand that Ms Calvery's arrival at the front of the Depository building was significantly later than Messrs. Shelley, Lovelady & Frazier would have us believe, and certainly well after Mr Truly entered the building
-------------------Mr Shelley chose Ms Calvery---a very good friend---to lend credibility to his contrived story of being in the area
-------------------This led to complications as soon as he established that she had not come back to the building for quite some time... hence the absurd 3+ minutes estimate of Mr Truly & Officer Baker's entry into the building

By 'aftermath' images I meant immediate aftermath. Up to the police car footage, Mr Shelley is The Invisible Man!

Alan,

I'd like to point out that the skirt Gloria Calvery is wearing in the Zapruder film has bold, dark, horizontal stripes in it, and that a smidgen of one of those stripes can barely be made out in a blow up of the sliver of the woman's skirt that's visible in Darnell.

That, and the fact that the woman in Darnell is, just like Calvery, wearing a black blouse and a black headscarf, and is in very close proximity to the only woman in Dealy Plaza that day who was wearing a white dress and a white headscarf, tells me that the woman in Darnell actually is Gloria Calvery. 

Additionally, the fact that this woman we're talking about is facing the steps and speaking with a man on the steps jibes with Frazier's statement that after the assassination a crying girl "came by" and told some somebody on the steps that Kennedy had been shot.

-- Tommy  :)
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 07:49:20 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2018, 07:49:59 PM »
Alan,

I'd like to point out that the skirt Gloria Calvery is wearing in the Zapruder film has bold, dark, horizontal stripes in it, and that a smidgen of one of those stripes can barely be made out in a blow up of the sliver of the woman's skirt that's visible in Darnell.

Not good enough, sorry!

How do you know this isn't Ms Calvery?


Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2018, 08:27:50 PM »
Not good enough, sorry!

How do you know this isn't Ms Calvery?




Alan,

You mean the woman to the immediate left of the young lady wearing the red plaid skirt in the photo Clive Largey posted on page 5 of Bob Prudhome's JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum thread titled, "Did Gloria Calvery Almost Catch Up To Marion Baker?"?

(Too bad this forum's rules prohibit my posting the link here.)

-- Tommy  :)

PS  For reference, that's "Hardhat Man" to the immediate left of your gal, above, and the above-mentioned young lady with the red plaid dress to his left."



« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 08:34:41 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2018, 08:33:45 PM »

Alan,

You mean the woman to the immediate left of the young lady wearing the red plaid skirt in the photo Clive Largey posted on page 5 of Bob Prudhome's JFK Assassination Debate thread titled, "Did Gloria Calvery Almost Catch Up To Marion Baker?"?

I mean the woman clearly marked with a red arrow, Mr Graves.
Why can't she be a candidate for Ms Calvery?

 

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