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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2018, 07:49:53 PM »
Question!

Would one be right in saying that 'Gloria Calvery's' left hand is on the column in the Darnell frames?


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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2018, 05:19:49 AM »
Alternatively!

Mr Shelley was on those steps for the assassination, but immediately slipped back inside, and was one of the "several people standing around" in the front lobby seen by Officer Baker (Affidavit, 11/22/63) when he dashed into the building.*

Did Mr Shelley see something there in the vestibule he shouldn't have? Did his boss Mr Truly later that day prevail upon him to 'stay the hell outside' in the story he told to the authorities?


*Note that Mr Roy Truly would contradict Baker when talking to the FBI: "They saw no one there (in the front lobby, AF)"!

Friends, it would appear that the bind Messrs Shelley and Lovelady find themselves in as they appear before the WC comes down to the following:

1. They have to include Ms Gloria Calvery's telling of what she's just seen out on the street
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2. They have to be down and away from those steps before Messrs Truly and Baker enter the Depository.

This leads them into the absurd 3-4 minute estimate for the latter!

Something is stopping them from simply sticking to Mr Shelley's original story (Affidavit 11/22/63) of running into Ms Calvery out at the corner of the 'park'.

It cannot be Ms Vickie Adams------------if the re-entry to the Depository building needs to be made as late as possible in order to discredit Ms Adams, then a couple of extra minutes can easily be added to their (supposed) railroad yard foray.

No, something else is forcing them into the Truly/Baker @ 3-4 minute lie...

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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2018, 11:45:27 PM »
Mr. BAKER. On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.
Mr. DULLES. Were they white men?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir.


Was one of these white men Mr Bill Shelley?

Read the testimony of Mr Eddie Piper and Mr Troy West and you get a sense of just how toxic that shipping floor seems to have been to the official story!

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2018, 11:52:18 PM »
There is definitely someone behind Mr Billy Lovelady here just as the President is coming onto Elm Street.



Is this somebody Prayer Man or----------perhaps-----------Mr Bill Shelley?

If the latter, then Hughes would appear to be showing us the scene as remembered by Mr Buell Wesley Frazier in his WC testimony:

Mr. Shelley was standing, you know, back from the top step and over toward the side of the wall there. See, he was standing right over there, and then Billy was a couple of steps down from me over toward more the wall also.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2018, 12:28:11 AM »
Mr Freeman, I'm merely suggesting that taking Mr Shelley off those steps explains a number of problems with his story. As to where that leads, well how about we start with the question, Why would he lie about this?--------and see where it takes us... 

After this many posts...where did it take us? Where is it proven that Shelley actually lied? He could have simply been mistaken or had a failure to recall....like a lot of top cops did.
 

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2018, 12:58:33 AM »

After this many posts...where did it take us? Where is it proven that Shelley actually lied? He could have simply been mistaken or had a failure to recall....like a lot of top cops did.

Yes, that's what the LNers would say alright!  Thumb1:

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2018, 04:35:06 AM »
Yes, that's what the LNers would say alright!  Thumb1:
Oh cut the crap. Answer the questions. You started this thread.
 Where did all this it take us? Where is it proven that Shelley actually lied? Are you suggesting that he was involved? Quit beating around the bush.
 

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