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Offline Alan Ford

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Bill Shelley on Steps
« on: December 01, 2018, 01:56:58 AM »
A bit of assistance needed!

Who--------apart from Mr Billy Lovelady, Mr Buell Wesley Frazier and Ms Sarah Stanton---------mentioned seeing Mr Bill Shelley on the Depository front steps during the motorcade?

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Online Jerry Freeman

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2018, 02:39:49 AM »
Curious...why would it matter where Shelley was?

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2018, 12:47:54 PM »
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Curious...why would it matter where Shelley was?

It could matter very much indeed!

I'm troubled by a number of things, starting with.............

-------------in his March 1964 FBI statement, Mr Shelley erroneously puts Carolyn Arnold on the front steps for the motorcade
-------------in his Warren Commission testimony, he erroneously puts Lloyd Viles on the front steps for the motorcade
-------------his own account of his movements post-assassination are wildly inconsistent
-------------the person with whom he says he had an exchange out on the 'island' just happens to be the woman at whose wedding he was best man a few months ago (= Ms Gloria Calvery)
-------------he cannot be confidently identified in any assassination or aftermath photos
-------------we get inconsistent statements as to his position on the steps from Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier
-------------his claim that he saw Mr Truly and Officer Baker "fixin' to" run into the Depository building some 3+ minutes (!) after the shooting sounds like an invented 'memory'

Did Mr Shelley put in an appearance on the steps several minutes before the motorcade, notice Mr Lloyd Viles and Ms Carolyn Arnold in the area, get noticed by Ms Stanton, and then go back in the building?

Did Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier cover for him?

Is it possible that the explanation for the 3+ minutes nonsense had nothing to do with Ms Vickie Adams and everything to do with Ms Gloria Calvery?

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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2018, 01:36:25 PM »
Alan Ford wrote:

Is it possible that the explanation for the 3+ minutes nonsense had nothing to do with Ms Vickie Adams and everything to do with Ms Gloria Calvery?

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Alan,

You make good points about the mysterious Mr. Shelly, but I'm not sure what you're thinking about regarding Calvery.

Could you please expound?

(Do you not believe that Sandy Larsen, Brian Doyle and I have correctly identified her in the Z-film, Betzner 3, and Couch-Darnell?)

Thanks,

-- Tommy  :)

PS  Shelley was filmed getting into a police car with Bonnie Ray Williams and Danny Arce about an hour(?) after the assassination.
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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2018, 04:37:35 PM »
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Alan Ford wrote:

Is it possible that the explanation for the 3+ minutes nonsense had nothing to do with Ms Vickie Adams and everything to do with Ms Gloria Calvery?

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Alan,

You make good points about the mysterious Mr. Shelly, but I'm not sure what you're thinking about regarding Calvery.

Could you please expound?

(Do you not believe that Sandy Larsen, Brian Doyle and I have correctly identified her in the Z-film, Betzner 3, and Couch-Darnell?)

Thanks,

-- Tommy  :)

PS  Shelley was filmed getting into a police car with Bonnie Ray Williams and Danny Arce about an hour(?) after the assassination.

Mr Graves, the ID of Ms Calvery in Betzner & Zapruder looks solid to me, but not the one in Darnell.

My tentative thinking re. Ms Calvery's being the reason for Mr Shelley's distended sense of time
-------------------Mr Joe Molina's testimony gives to understand that Ms Calvery's arrival at the front of the Depository building was significantly later than Messrs. Shelley, Lovelady & Frazier would have us believe, and certainly well after Mr Truly entered the building
-------------------Mr Shelley chose Ms Calvery---a very good friend---to lend credibility to his contrived story of being in the area
-------------------This led to complications as soon as he established that she had not come back to the building for quite some time... hence the absurd 3+ minutes estimate of Mr Truly & Officer Baker's entry into the building

By 'aftermath' images I meant immediate aftermath. Up to the police car footage, Mr Shelley is The Invisible Man!

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2018, 05:29:39 PM »
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Alan,   Could you please expound? 
Yes please do.  Are you suggesting that Mr Shelley was involved in the assassination?
Alan Ford.....
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Just thinking out loud here!
Understand that 'thoughts' can seem convoluted unless a specific implication is provided.
So what are we getting at here with Shelley?

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 05:36:43 PM »
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Yes please do.  Are you suggesting that Mr Shelley was involved in the assassination?
Alan Ford.....Understand that 'thoughts' can seem convoluted unless a specific implication is provided.
So what are we getting at here with Shelley?

Mr Freeman, I'm merely suggesting that taking Mr Shelley off those steps explains a number of problems with his story.

As to where that leads, well how about we start with the question, Why would he lie about this?--------and see where it takes us...  Thumb1:

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 05:36:43 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2018, 05:38:15 PM »
Thomas:   Alan and Bart just ignore anything that works against their Prayer Man theory...Alan is trying an evidence end-around here with Shelley...He won't give a straight answer to the more than proven identification of Calvery at the steps in Couch/Darnell by yourself...

Alan is living in a delusion of his own creation and is openly defying/ignoring the clothing match and testimony timing that forces the woman on the steps to be Calvery...Alan agrees Tall Woman is Calvery but then uncredibly refuses to recognize the evidence that places her on the steps in Couch/Darnell...Alan is filibustering by going in to his Shelley denial...He's doing it to avoid answering Frazier's locating of Stanton according to Calvery's arrival at the steps...Don't be fooled Thomas...The only reason Alan refuses to admit Calvery's clearly-seen presence at the steps is because he knows it confirms Frazier's timing of facing Stanton...And that makes Prayer Man Stanton...Larsen is equally dishonest and gets away with his dishonesty by the brute censorship that removed those who could demand this of Larsen...Don't be dumb Thomas...The only reason Alan is in outright denial of Shelley going up the extension is because it is an evidence lock for my case...Only a fool would follow Ford off into this lie and entertain it...

Meanwhile for the more reality-oriented Shelley is the man in the tie behind Lovelady in Altgens...He is the first man Lovelady described as being from his left to his right...

Time for the Prayer Man infection of the evidence to stop...
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 06:45:30 PM by Brian Doyle »

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Bill Shelley on Steps
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2018, 07:39:32 PM »
Mr.  SHELLEY.  He (Eddie Piper) was coming back from where he was watching the motorcade in the southwest corner of the shipping room.

Has Mr Shelley slipped up here? How on earth could he have been on the first floor himself in time to see this? ???

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2018, 07:43:25 PM »
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Mr.  SHELLEY.  He (Eddie Piper) was coming back from where he was watching the motorcade in the southwest corner of the shipping room.

Has Mr Shelley slipped up here? How on earth could he have been on the first floor himself in time to see this? ???

Because if you bother to actually read what I am writing Shelley went to the Domino Room and saw Harvey exit...Harvey lied in his Fritz testimony and said he was out front with Shelley after the lunch room encounter...What he couldn't say was he was out back with Shelley by the rear exit by the Domino Room...This is proven by the fact only Lovelady is seen returning to the steps...

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