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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The Real Magic Bullet
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2017, 07:36:04 PM »
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The staff of the commission had written: ''A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine.''
Ford had that changed to read: ''A bullet had entered the back of his neck at a point slightly to the right of the spine.''
The final report said: ''A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine.''            

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Online Michael Capasse

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Re: The Real Magic Bullet
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2017, 07:40:17 PM »
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you really do lack reading comprehension skills....

Gerald Ford absolutely rewrote this portion of the report...
He moved a wound from the shoulder to the neck to accommodate the SBT
....though I'm not surprised by your lack of comprehension regarding the draft being the working copy of the WCR

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Roy Kellerman
There were three gentlemen who were performing this autopsy. A Colonel Finck--during the examination of the President, from the hole that was in his shoulder, and with a probe, and we were standing right alongside of him, he is probing inside the shoulder with his instrument and I said, "Colonel, where did it go? He said, "There are no lanes for an outlet of this entry in this man's shoulder."

William Greer
Mr. SPECTER. Approximately where in the President's back was the bullet hole?
Mr. GREER. It was, to the best of my recollection it was, back here, just in the soft part of that shoulder.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the upper right shoulder area?
Mr. GREER. Upper right, yes.

Clint Hill
Representative BOGGS. Did you see any other wound other than the head wound?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; I saw an opening in the back, about 6 inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column.


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Ford edited that part of the draft in order to have it accurately reflect what was contained in the autopsy report.
....working copies of that were altered as well and we don't know what was in the original notes that were burned

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« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2017, 08:00:15 PM »
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Where's your comprehension? The term Ford challenged is "back" not shoulder. And "back of the neck" is much more localized and accurate than "back" alone. The sentence was finalized as "base of the back of the neck" to reflect the autopsy report:

    "The other missile entered the right superior posterior thorax above
     the scapula and traversed the soft tissues of the supra-scapular and
     the supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck.

Now they did remove the confusing "above the shoulder" term which could mean to some the bullet went over the shoulder line, missing the President.

Surface anatomy of the shoulder extends to the neck. The trapezius--which defines the shoulder line--attaches to the occipital bone.

Orange: Superior fibers of the trapezius

LOL! The "neckline" isn't the base of the back of the neck. And we have no idea how accurate Hill was at estimating things.

Humes said everything in the original notes was copied verbatim. Now you don't have to believe that but you might once in awhile acknowledge what the man who wrote those original notes had to say about it.

53 years later and these characters still refuse to understand that face sheet drawings are generic and that the actual measurements where not changed by Ford.

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Re: The Real Magic Bullet
« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2017, 08:10:37 PM »
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~snip~

....working copies of that were altered as well and we don't know what was in the original notes that were burned


"....working copies of that were altered as well and we don't know what was in the original notes that were burned"

Correct!

Friday night before they learned about the wound in the front of JFK's throat and after the body was gone the

report said the bullet in the back fell out during heart massage at Parkland Hospital.

This is reflected in FBI SA O'Neil & Sibert's 302 report from the autopsy.

It was revised Saturday morning, 11/23,  when they talked to Parkland Hospital and found out about the wound in

the front of the neck.

Sunday, 11/24, the notes etc. were burned and it was revised again, apparently after LHO's murder.


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Re: The Real Magic Bullet
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2017, 08:21:40 PM »
The Burkley Hand off

Under the date of November 26, 1963 on the letterhead of the office of the chief US Secret Service Special Agent Robert I Bouck acknowledged receipt of the number of items from the presidential physician George Burkley. The fifth item on this list is one receipt dated November 22, 1963 Re: a carton of photographic film undeveloped except for x-rays and delivered to the Protective Research Section of the Secret Service.

When Dr. Humes admitted in testimony that he had recreated the notes he had burned neither Specter nor any other council member made a single comment or asked a single question about it instead Specter merely asked that the records show that Exhibit 397 is the identical document which has been previously identified as commission file 371 for our internal purposes.

These two items are not identical
....there are two documents in file 371 that are not printed as part of Spectors identical Exhibit 397


One is special agent Bouck's receipt itemizing 11 articles and papers received from the White House Physician.

In his receipt Special Agent Bouck acknowledged possession of Adm. Galloway's memorandum with one copy of the autopsy report and "notes from the examining doctor and transmittal letter" and seven copies of the above item (autopsy report)

The other is the memorandum on the letterhead of the National Naval Medical Center dated November 25, 1963 subject is autopsy protocol. It is addressed to the White House Physician and signed by Adm. CB Galloway commanding officer of the National Naval Medical Center. "Attached are the work papers used by the Prosector and his assistants. This command holds no additional documents in connection with this case"

So all the working papers of whatever character not burned by Dr. Humes' fireplace can be traced from the Naval Hospital to the White House from the White House to the Secret Service from the Secret Service (and in the form of xerox copies) to the Commission but all are not in volume 17 of the hearings and exhibits.
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Re: The Real Magic Bullet
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2017, 01:02:00 AM »
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you really do lack reading comprehension skills....

Gerald Ford absolutely rewrote this portion of the report...
He moved a wound from the shoulder to the neck to accommodate the SBT
....though I'm not surprised by your lack of comprehension regarding the draft being the working copy of the WCR

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It's you who is lacking in comprehension skills, not me. The wound was never in the shoulder. The draft document, prior to Ford's edit,  had it as above the shoulder.

Ford absolutely did not rewrite any portion of the Warren Commission Report. He edited a draft document. That's all.

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....working copies of that were altered as well and we don't know what was in the original notes that were burned

Working copies? You mean drafts? So what? The autopsy report itself was never altered. We know what was in the original notes in the same way that we know that the original notes were burned. From Humes himself. Humes copied the original notes before he burned them.

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Re: The Real Magic Bullet
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2017, 01:14:19 AM »
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It's you who is lacking in comprehension skills, not me. The wound was never in the shoulder. The draft document, prior to Ford's edit,  had it as above the shoulder.

Ford absolutely did not rewrite any portion of the Warren Commission Report. He edited a draft document. That's all.

Working copies? You mean drafts? So what? The autopsy report itself was never altered. We know what was in the original notes in the same way that we know that the original notes were burned. From Humes himself. Humes copied the original notes before he burned them.

On August 2, 1998, the Associated Press reported that a group of government investigators, the Assassinations Records Review Board, had made a discovery about JFKs autopsy notes.

Under oath [before the ARRB], Humes finally acknowledged under persistent questioning in testimony that differs from what he told the Warren Commission that he had destroyed both his notes taken at the autopsy and the first draft of the autopsy report.
Humes had told the Warren Commission hed incinerated a first draft of JFKs autopsy protocol, but hed said nothing about destroying autopsy notes taken by hand during the autopsy. In fact, he implied, apparently untruthfully, that all original notes had been preserved.


Cite where he says this.... :pointdown:

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Humes copied the original notes before he burned them.
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