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Online Steve Howsley

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2018, 07:58:14 AM »
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55 years since 11/22/63 and we still don?t know all that much about the events that led to the assassination of President Kennedy.

55 years later... or to look at it another way 20,090 days since the assassination and still there's no proof of a conspiracy. 20,090 days without any solid evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt that anyone other than LHO participated in the deaths of JFK and officer Tippit. 20,090 days to look up every drain pipe, down every gutter, through every trash can yet there's been no solid evidence of conspiracy. Still the only reasonable conclusion is that Oswald acted alone in both killings.

It's unlikely that most of us will be around when another 20,090 days have passed but I think I can safely predict that come that day there will still be only one reasonable conclusion and that is that Oswald acted alone in both killings.

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2018, 11:21:25 AM »
Still the only reasonable conclusion is that Oswald acted alone in both killings.

It's a reasonable assumption but the Kennedy assassination remains inconclusive for many due to the huge holes in the evidence...

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2018, 03:44:44 PM »
I fail to see how you will ever find evidence if you are in control of it from the beginning!   Any incriminating evidence would be shredded - like JFK's brain, never to be seen again.

There were thousands of autopsy photographs taken of JFK, the only ones left behind were the ones that you were meant to see.  There were likely more photographs released of LHO than of him!

If you conduct an investigation of yourself (which is what happened),  are you going to leave a trail of evidence that is going to convict you?  Absolutely not!  You are innocent.   The only evidence you have is circumstantial.   The car and JFK body removed  quickly and dealt with in a very controlled environment in another state and city.  The laws were circumvented and the reports released vetted.   Even LHO is not shown to have worked for the government.   Where are his tax returns?   The concern was investigating how he bought the carcano instead.    The more significant facts to uncover are on whose payroll was he on.   He took trips to Russia, Cuba and Mexico and obviously he was not a rich man who could afford these excursions on his own.   Rejection of his passport by himself and reinstatement by the state must have been allowed and known about in order to have him end up at the right place and the right time.   His story unravels as a sinister spy plot/mole novel who was placed in Russia in a covert operation! 

One thing that I would infer is that he never knew that he was going to be framed for JFK's murder and end up dead in the plot that he was involved in.    Circumstantial evidence points to the fact that he was involved or tailor made for the plot he was involved in.   
1)  The facts are that he was given a job at the TSBD by someone months earlier.  After all his international escapades, he decided that shelving books was a great job after a sensational international career!
2)  It was also too good to be true to have the motorcade pass by chance his new place of employment within months!     
3)  We know that he was found in a theater as if waiting to meet someone - not hiding there.   There are much better ways to get out of town after committing a murder.  This is not an Abraham Lincoln era story!  He even went home to change clothes?  I guess he wanted to change his identity for some unknown reason.  They were sweated up?    Did he already know that there was an APB (all points bulletin) out for his arrest?
4)  He killed a policeman on his way to the theater as well and had 2 different handguns. 
5)  We know that he proclaimed his innocence. 
6)  We know that he was never allowed to make a statement or at least that any were released.
7)  We know he never had legal consultation provided when he asked for it. 
8)  We know that a good patriot named Jack Ruby did the country a favor and killed him.   
9)  We know that soon after Jack Ruby ended up dead before he could tell his story. 

Too good to be true?  Naw, just a coincidence all around!    Those dumb conspiracists at it again!   The Kennedys had a long history of being bootleggers, mafia players and womanizers, deserved what happened to them!

« Last Edit: November 23, 2018, 03:48:43 PM by Allan Fritzke »

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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2018, 05:29:09 PM »
I fail to see how you will ever find evidence if you are in control of it from the beginning!   Any incriminating evidence would be shredded - like JFK's brain, never to be seen again.

There were thousands of autopsy photographs taken of JFK, the only ones left behind were the ones that you were meant to see.  There were likely more photographs released of LHO than of him!

If you conduct an investigation of yourself (which is what happened),  are you going to leave a trail of evidence that is going to convict you?  Absolutely not!  You are innocent.   The only evidence you have is circumstantial.   The car and JFK body removed  quickly and dealt with in a very controlled environment in another state and city.  The laws were circumvented and the reports released vetted.   Even LHO is not shown to have worked for the government.   Where are his tax returns?   The concern was investigating how he bought the carcano instead.    The more significant facts to uncover are on whose payroll was he on.   He took trips to Russia, Cuba and Mexico and obviously he was not a rich man who could afford these excursions on his own.   Rejection of his passport by himself and reinstatement by the state must have been allowed and known about in order to have him end up at the right place and the right time.   His story unravels as a sinister spy plot/mole novel who was placed in Russia in a covert operation! 

One thing that I would infer is that he never knew that he was going to be framed for JFK's murder and end up dead in the plot that he was involved in.    Circumstantial evidence points to the fact that he was involved or tailor made for the plot he was involved in.   
1)  The facts are that he was given a job at the TSBD by someone months earlier.  After all his international escapades, he decided that shelving books was a great job after a sensational international career!
2)  It was also too good to be true to have the motorcade pass by chance his new place of employment within months!     
3)  We know that he was found in a theater as if waiting to meet someone - not hiding there.   There are much better ways to get out of town after committing a murder.  This is not an Abraham Lincoln era story!  He even went home to change clothes?  I guess he wanted to change his identity for some unknown reason.  They were sweated up?    Did he already know that there was an APB (all points bulletin) out for his arrest?
4)  He killed a policeman on his way to the theater as well and had 2 different handguns. 
5)  We know that he proclaimed his innocence. 
6)  We know that he was never allowed to make a statement or at least that any were released.
7)  We know he never had legal consultation provided when he asked for it. 
8)  We know that a good patriot named Jack Ruby did the country a favor and killed him.   
9)  We know that soon after Jack Ruby ended up dead before he could tell his story. 

Too good to be true?  Naw, just a coincidence all around!    Those dumb conspiracists at it again!   The Kennedys had a long history of being bootleggers, mafia players and womanizers, deserved what happened to them!

1)  The facts are that he was given a job at the TSBD by someone months earlier.  After all his international escapades, he decided that shelving books was a great job after a sensational international career!



Yeah, wow! Working at a factory in Minsk placed Oswald at the center of Cold War espionage. The circumstances that led to Oswald obtaining the job at the TSBD has been clearly accounted for by the Warren Commission. I would like to know how you believe Oswald got the job. Please be specific.

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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2018, 06:01:15 PM »
So too, he must have got his job at the Minsk factory because he had internet correspondence with his future wife Maria and she said it was a great place to work!  Many pieces of evidence where interjected in order to make the whole charade plausible and feasible to get him to be at the right place and the right time.  The only thing you need to make evidence is someone willing to corroborate it.  Dead men (like LHO) can tell no lies.  Evidence can be speculation and conjecture.   

Another example.  If someone said they saw a hole in the limousine windshield and that shots came from the grassy knoll, some evidence would be and was presented to refute that as required.   At the least introduce enough witnesses to make sure that all the stories are different.  That is why it was a WC (a Commission) and not an independent investigative process culminating with a presentation of evidence and a grand jury indictment of LHO!    Where were the preliminary hearings?  It was all by-passed!  There was a very controlled investigation and atmoshpere by those involved to make the "LN" crime fit their facts!  The conclusion was sure from the beginning and its outcome written up long before the report was finished.

They never allowed for any other possible solution, something which Hoover was adamant about maintaining.   Otherwise great suspicion would be cast on a democratic sociey and a coup d'etat accusation would have resulted if there was in fact more than one gun present at the scene.   That would then be a conspiracy and it would have to be investigated.    One shooter can be explained away as a mentally deranged nutcase.
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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2018, 06:23:29 PM »
So too, he must have got his job at the Minsk factory because he had internet correspondence with his future wife Maria and she said it was a great place to work!  Many pieces of evidence where interjected in order to make the whole charade plausible and feasible to get him to be at the right place and the right time.  The only thing you need to make evidence is someone willing to corroborate it.  Dead men (like LHO) can tell no lies.  Evidence can be speculation and conjecture.   

Another example.  If someone said they saw a hole in the limousine windshield and that shots came from the grassy knoll, some evidence would be and was presented to refute that as required.   At the least introduce enough witnesses to make sure that all the stories are different.  That is why it was a WC (a Commission) and not an independent investigative process culminating with a presentation of evidence and a grand jury indictment of LHO!    Where were the preliminary hearings?  It was all by-passed!  There was a very controlled investigation and atmoshpere by those involved to make the "LN" crime fit their facts!  The conclusion was sure from the beginning and its outcome written up long before the report was finished.

They never allowed for any other possible solution, something which Hoover was adamant about maintaining.   Otherwise great suspicion would be cast on a democratic sociey and a coup d'etat accusation would have resulted if there was in fact more than one gun present at the scene.   That would then be a conspiracy and it would have to be investigated.    One shooter can be explained away as a mentally deranged nutcase.


Yeah, internet communication back in 1959. How old was Al Gore then? He must have been a child prodigy. I noticed there was nothing on how you believe Oswald got the job at the TSBD. Could we try it one more time?

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2018, 06:24:17 PM »
3)  We know that he was found in a theater as if waiting to meet someone - not hiding there.

What makes you think he wasn't hiding?

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Re: 55 years later...
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2018, 06:34:07 PM »
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3)  We know that he was found in a theater as if waiting to meet someone - not hiding there.


What makes you think he wasn't hiding?


It gets in the way of a good conspiracy story, Nicholas.