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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #455 on: January 11, 2017, 04:35:12 PM »
I have shown you how a wound could move from below the shoulders to above the shoulders.

Tim, where is the "wound" in your illustration?

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #456 on: January 11, 2017, 06:12:51 PM »
Who is more likely to accurately determine the location of a wound -- people who examine the actual body or people who examine a few photographs purporting to be of the actual body?

If the photos are authentic  and unaltered .....they are factual records......No spin. no bias...... Just the bare facts.

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #457 on: January 11, 2017, 06:45:45 PM »
If the photos are authentic  and unaltered .....they are factual records......No spin. no bias...... Just the bare facts.

Authentic photos may have no inherent spin, but the people who look at them sure do.

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #458 on: January 12, 2017, 12:17:22 AM »
Tim, where is the "wound" in your illustration?

I want to know how Tim worked out that the entrance wound to JFK's upper back was at C7 and above?

I also want to know how Chad worked out the same wound was at C7/T1?

He placed the marker on his own torso without using the acromion reference point.

So in essence - there would be no accurate way to determine exactly where the upper back wound was in reference to the vertebra unless the bullet path was tracked at autopsy. It wasnt.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #459 on: January 12, 2017, 02:48:23 AM »
You were the one using Chad's positioning of JFK's back wound not me.

He was playing "pin the upper back wound to where I want to" Tim.

That's being a little bit cheeky is it not?

Temperature above zero?

Tony, you would do well to take the time to understand what it is that you are responding to before you actually respond to it. Whether Zimmerman placed the mark at T2, T1, C7 or C6 is irrelevant to the point that was being made. Go back and bring yourself up to speed on what was being argued and then offer your input.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #460 on: January 12, 2017, 02:53:44 AM »
Who is more likely to accurately determine the location of a wound -- people who examine the actual body or people who examine a few photographs purporting to be of the actual body?

People who examine the actual body.

1. There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

From the irregular margins of the above scalp defect tears extend in stellate fashion into the more or less intact scalp as follows:

a. From the right inferior temporo-parietal margin anterior to the right ear to a point slightly above the tragus.

b. From the anterior parietal margin anteriorly on the forehead to approximately 4 cm. above the right orbital ridge.

c. From the left margin of the main defect across the midline antero-laterally for a distance of approximately 8 cm.

d. From the same starting point as c. 10 cm. postero-laterally.


http://www.jfklancer.com/autopsyrpt.html

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Re: Several bullets "missed the limo", a problem to both LNīS and CTīS ...
« Reply #461 on: January 12, 2017, 03:01:27 AM »
Tim, where is the "wound" in your illustration?

It's not my Illustration. It's Chad Zimmerman's. He placed small 'dot' of permanent marker on the back at the cervicothoracic junction (C7/T1), slightly right of the spine, which I assume is the approx location that he believes that the bullet entered on Kennedy. You can make out that mark in each of the photos. The horizontal line in both photos passed through that dot.