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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2018, 04:19:04 AM »
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There is evidence that the first shot was just before z202 (Phil Wilis) and a lot of evidence that it was after z190

Have you seen page 102 WR?  The Lincoln would have just emerged from behind the tree at Frame 210...  Nobody could have aimed a rifle at JFK from that SE corner window prior to Z 210.....   And that ignores the FACT that it requires several seconds to acquire the MOVING target and squeeze the trigger..... A rifle cannot be fired the very instant the target appears.... Do you understand?
You obviously haven't read the first post in this thread. The whole point of this thread is to show that the WC was wrong and, more important, why it was wrong. I have demonstrated that JFK was clear of obstruction from the SN At z195. And JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree. If you disagree, read it and tell me where I have gone wrong. And tell me why the Secret Service film is not a better recreation than the FBI's.
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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2018, 07:46:13 PM »
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You obviously haven't read the first post in this thread. The whole point of this thread is to show that the WC was wrong and, more important, why it was wrong. I have demonstrated that JFK was clear of obstruction from the SN At z195. And JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree. If you disagree, read it and tell me where I have gone wrong. And tell me why the Secret Service film is not a better recreation than the FBI's.

I have demonstrated that JFK was clear of obstruction from the SN At z195. And JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree. If you disagree,


OF course I disagree.... You clearly are not familiar with rifles or hunting.....JFK could NOT have been tracked through the scope of that rifle as the Lincoln traveled behind the foliage of the tree.  LBJ's cover up committee shows a photo on page 102 of the Book of Lies that allegedly depicts the view at frame 210 of the Z film . That photo shows that JFK in the car has just emerged from behind the tree...it would have taken several seconds for an EXPERT rifle man to acquire the target and squeeze the trigger.    AND even an EXPERT rifleman could not have hit JFK because the scope was mounted out of alignment.   

You're right ...The Cover up committee was "wrong" (as in deliberately wrong)  but you have disqualified your argument by making dumb statements like ..."JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree."

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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2018, 11:58:27 PM »
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I have demonstrated that JFK was clear of obstruction from the SN At z195. And JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree. If you disagree,


OF course I disagree.... You clearly are not familiar with rifles or hunting.....JFK could NOT have been tracked through the scope of that rifle as the Lincoln traveled behind the foliage of the tree.  LBJ's cover up committee shows a photo on page 102 of the Book of Lies that allegedly depicts the view at frame 210 of the Z film . That photo shows that JFK in the car has just emerged from behind the tree...it would have taken several seconds for an EXPERT rifle man to acquire the target and squeeze the trigger.    AND even an EXPERT rifleman could not have hit JFK because the scope was mounted out of alignment.   

You're right ...The Cover up committee was "wrong" (as in deliberately wrong)  but you have disqualified your argument by making dumb statements like ..."JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree."
Walter, you are demonstrating again that you have not read or, in any event, understood, the first post in this thread.  Read it and view the Secret Service film that I have provided for you.  Watch from 10:20 as the car goes under the oak tree.  This is the oak tree as seen from the SN a few days after the assassination so that is what was actually seen.  The FBI did their recreation in May 1964 when the tree was in full foliage and all sorts of new growth.  At the time of the assassination "JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree".   Watch the film yourself. You can see the car and occupants all the time it passes under that two outer branches.  Otherwise the car is completely clear.  Don't take my word for it.  See for yourself:



Anyone who knew how to shoot would be able to track JFK under that tree.

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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2018, 12:11:48 AM »
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Walter, you are demonstrating again that you have not read or, in any event, understood, the first post in this thread.  Read it and view the Secret Service film that I have provided for you.  Watch from 10:20 as the car goes under the oak tree.  This is the oak tree as seen from the SN a few days after the assassination so that is what was actually seen.  The FBI did their recreation in May 1964 when the tree was in full foliage and all sorts of new growth.  At the time of the assassination "JFK was easily trackablefrom the SN as he passed under the tree".   Watch the film yourself. You can see the car and occupants all the time it passes under that two outer branches.  Otherwise the car is completely clear.  Don't take my word for it.  See for yourself:



Anyone who knew how to shoot would be able to track JFK under that tree.

Andrew, You're being a sucker....  The photo WAS NOT taken from the TSBD window...Get your head out and LOOK at the angles in the photo....That photo was taken from the Dal Tex Building.    That why I used the word "Allegedly" when directing you to the photo on page 102 of The Book of Lies  ..... LBJ's liars presented the photo as having been taken from the TSBD but it clearly was taken from a location further south than the SE corner window of the TSBD....

I'm outta here Andrew.....  I clearly can't help you.....

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2018, 01:37:27 AM »
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Andrew, You're being a sucker....  The photo WAS NOT taken from the TSBD window...Get your head out and LOOK at the angles in the photo....That photo was taken from the Dal Tex Building.    That why I used the word "Allegedly" when directing you to the photo on page 102 of The Book of Lies  ..... LBJ's liars presented the photo as having been taken from the TSBD but it clearly was taken from a location further south than the SE corner window of the TSBD....

I'm outta here Andrew.....  I clearly can't help you.....



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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2018, 02:43:15 AM »
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Andrew, You're being a sucker....  The photo WAS NOT taken from the TSBD window...Get your head out and LOOK at the angles in the photo....That photo was taken from the Dal Tex Building.    That why I used the word "Allegedly" when directing you to the photo on page 102 of The Book of Lies  ..... LBJ's liars presented the photo as having been taken from the TSBD but it clearly was taken from a location further south than the SE corner window of the TSBD....

I'm outta here Andrew.....  I clearly can't help you.....
You just have to watch the film to see that it is taken from the TSBD. Not only that but you can watch as the car comes up Houston and see that Houston St. is to the east. If you aren't going to watch the film there is not much I can do.

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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2018, 12:12:21 PM »
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You just have to watch the film to see that it is taken from the TSBD. Not only that but you can watch as the car comes up Houston and see that Houston St. is to the east. If you aren't going to watch the film there is not much I can do.

I agree with you, Andrew, Walt is incorrect.

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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2018, 01:49:46 AM »
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I agree with you, Andrew, Walt is incorrect.

Ray, Do you believe that the Lincoln passed behind the tree ......   Witnesses ( Vicky Adams and Sandra Styles  to name a couple) on the fourth floor had no idea what had happened because the tree blocked their view....

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2018, 02:54:59 AM »
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Ray, Do you believe that the Lincoln passed behind the tree ......   Witnesses ( Vicky Adams and Sandra Styles  to name a couple) on the fourth floor had no idea what had happened because the tree blocked their view....



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Re: At which Zframe was JFK clear of the oak tree from the SN?
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2018, 09:09:37 AM »
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Ray, Do you believe that the Lincoln passed behind the tree ......   Witnesses ( Vicky Adams and Sandra Styles  to name a couple) on the fourth floor had no idea what had happened because the tree blocked their view....

This is what Andrew wrote, and what I agreed with.

"You just have to watch the film to see that it is taken from the TSBD. Not only that but you can watch as the car comes up Houston and see that Houston St. is to the east. If you aren't going to watch the film there is not much I can do."

As you said the witnesses were two floors lower than the sniper's nest, so the tree would probably have  impeded their view.
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