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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: At The End Of The Day....The Question is:...
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2018, 05:22:10 PM »
Because of the misaligned scope and
if the rifle were stolen from the Paines garage

then

1. Somebody had to have had prior knowledge the rifle was stored in the garage and exactly where it was stored in the garage. Who knew?  Ruth Paine, Michael Paine, or Marina Oswald, are the most probable persons, unless Oswald had one the conspirators as a temporary friend, like maybe George De Mohrenschildt.

2. The rifle must have been stolen that very night of Thursday Nov 21st or in morning hours of Nov 22 probably about 3 am, because stealing it earlier that week, surely the conspirator would have had several days to practice with the rifle, and align the scope and zero it at 100 yds.  (note: Also, stealing the rifle earlier that week would have been taking a risk Oswald discovers the rifle is stolen and reports it before Nov 22).

3. The intention was to fire a couple of shots from this MC rifle at the SE window, hoping to get lucky and hit JFK, but to be certain, at least a 2nd shooter was also on the 6th floor at the SW  corner window or the immediate nearby West side window, with a 30.06 rifle with large scope to get the kill head shot at Z313.


4. The SE shooter after shooting 1st shot at Z223 and hitting JFK in the back, reloaded and it took about 4 sec before he was able to attempt 2nd shot, which missed, approz Z290., that round probably striking the asphalt or the curb near Tague.


5. The 30.06 shooter was tracking the JFK limo from the time of the 1st shot attempt by the MC rifle shooter, and after the 2nd shot by the MC shooter at Z290, the 30.06 shooter fired his shot at Z313 just about 1 sec aftewards.  This combination of MC shooter and 30.06 shooter, produced 3 loud sounds, with a spacing of 4 seconds and then 1 sec apart between 2nd and 3rd shots, just as Lee Bowers and other earwitness heard.

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Re: At The End Of The Day....The Question is:...
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2018, 08:27:13 PM »
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Unfortunately, If a person accepts that it's possible that Lee did in fact bring the carcano into the TSBD at anytime prior to the coup,  then that automatically means that he was guilty of murdering the POTUS.  Since I believe that Lee was being set up as the patsy ....I can accept that he brought the carcano into the TSBD at some earlier time.   ( Probably after hours when there was nobody around)    BUT since the rifle was wiped clean of any prints, then "someone" other than Lee handled that rifle and wiped it clean before hiding it beneath the boxes of books. Who ever that person was they didn't want their prints to be found on that rifle.    Lee wouldn't have cared because he was under the impression that he was playing a role very much like the role he played at Walker's.   A role in which it appeared that he had  ATTEMPTED to shoot JFK but missed.

It's entirely possible that Lee took the rifle into the TSBD days before the shooting.....  But That rifle was never fired on 11/22/63 ....

However.....  IF Lee was the person who took the carcano into the TSBD it doesn't make sense for him to have left the blanket in a condition that made the blanket appear to have a rifle in it.    If Lee had removed that rifle he would likely have simply folded the blanket and stowed it away with his other possessions in that garage.


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BUT since the rifle was wiped clean of any prints, then "someone" other than Lee handled that rifle and wiped it clean before hiding it beneath the boxes of books.

Or Oswald wiped the rifle clean of prints (as quickly and best he could) while making his way across the sixth floor towards the stairs.


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But That rifle was never fired on 11/22/63 ....

How do you know that?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2018, 10:34:04 PM »
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Or Oswald wiped the rifle clean of prints (as quickly and best he could) while making his way across the sixth floor towards the stairs.


How do you know that?

Or Oswald wiped the rifle clean of prints (as quickly and best he could) while making his way across the sixth floor towards the stairs.

If Lee Had been duped into believing that he was playing the same game he had played at Walker's  in April ( a hoax that was supposed to look like Lee had tried to shoot JFK) then he wouldn't have bothered to wipe his prints off the carcano.... After all it was supposed to be his rifle and he knew there was a paper trail that lead to him.....So wiping away any prints would have been silly and unnecessary.   

Only someone who knew the plot was to actually murder JFK would not have wanted his prints on the rifle.

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2018, 06:53:50 AM »
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Or Oswald wiped the rifle clean of prints (as quickly and best he could) while making his way across the sixth floor towards the stairs.

If Lee Had been duped into believing that he was playing the same game he had played at Walker's  in April ( a hoax that was supposed to look like Lee had tried to shoot JFK) then he wouldn't have bothered to wipe his prints off the carcano.... After all it was supposed to be his rifle and he knew there was a paper trail that lead to him.....So wiping away any prints would have been silly and unnecessary.   

Only someone who knew the plot was to actually murder JFK would not have wanted his prints on the rifle.


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If Lee Had been duped into believing that he was playing the same game he had played at Walker's...

Nice fantasy ya got there.  Enough said.

Now how about explaining how you know as a fact that the Carcano definitely was not fired on 11/22/63.

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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2018, 08:06:02 AM »
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Or Oswald wiped the rifle clean of prints (as quickly and best he could) while making his way across the sixth floor towards the stairs.

If Lee Had been duped into believing that he was playing the same game he had played at Walker's  in April ( a hoax that was supposed to look like Lee had tried to shoot JFK) then he wouldn't have bothered to wipe his prints off the carcano.... After all it was supposed to be his rifle and he knew there was a paper trail that lead to him.....So wiping away any prints would have been silly and unnecessary.   

Only someone who knew the plot was to actually murder JFK would not have wanted his prints on the rifle.

If is a big word.

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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2018, 06:17:18 PM »
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The question is: How did that Mannlicher Carcano get into he TSBD??   

The prime witness Buell Frazier swore that Lee Oswald carried a brown paper sack that was no longer that 27 inches and it was made from light weight flimsy brown paper.  Obviously there was no disassembled, 35 inch,  eight pound rifle in that flimsy bag.

But there isn't a shred of doubt that a carcano was found well hidden beneath pallets of books on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

Who smuggled the carcano into the TSBD, and who hid that rifle beneath those pallets of books ?

The original observation made by Frazier of the sack being "cheap, crinkly, thin paper sack" was amended by Frazier on 12/1/1963 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and discarded by the time he testified in front of the WC. Relying on the flimsy paper bag is an exercise in futility.

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2018, 07:47:55 PM »
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The original observation made by Frazier of the sack being "cheap, crinkly, thin paper sack" was amended by Frazier on 12/1/1963 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and discarded by the time he testified in front of the WC. Relying on the flimsy paper bag is an exercise in futility.


By all means, let's just ignore the minor detail that Frazier has rejected the bag found at the TSBD as the one he saw Oswald carry from day 1 until now.

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2018, 08:04:05 PM »
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By all means, let's just ignore the minor detail that Frazier has rejected the bag found at the TSBD as the one he saw Oswald carry from day 1 until now.

Clever fellow, that Buell..

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2018, 08:24:00 PM »
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Or Oswald wiped the rifle clean of prints (as quickly and best he could) while making his way across the sixth floor towards the stairs.


How do you know that?

So you are claiming that in the 90 second scenario that the WC created LHO also had time to wipe down the rifle completely?

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2018, 08:39:10 PM »
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By all means, let's just ignore the minor detail that Frazier has rejected the bag found at the TSBD as the one he saw Oswald carry from day 1 until now.

Let's just conveniently ignore the fact Frazier said he did not pay too much attention to the way Oswald was carrying the bag.

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