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Online Walt Cakebread

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« on: November 13, 2018, 04:08:06 PM »
The question is: How did that Mannlicher Carcano get into he TSBD??   

The prime witness Buell Frazier swore that Lee Oswald carried a brown paper sack that was no longer that 27 inches and it was made from light weight flimsy brown paper.  Obviously there was no disassembled, 35 inch,  eight pound rifle in that flimsy bag.

But there isn't a shred of doubt that a carcano was found well hidden beneath pallets of books on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

Who smuggled the carcano into the TSBD, and who hid that rifle beneath those pallets of books ?

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Who smuggled the carcano into the TSBD, and who hid that rifle beneath those pallets of books ?
If only you could find a 55+ year old mouse that could talk [no Mickey jokes please] and was there in that building after hours during the night before :-\

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If only you could find a 55+ year old mouse that could talk [no Mickey jokes please] and was there in that building after hours during the night before :-\

Jerry, I suspect that the carcano was in the TSBD several days before the coup d e'tat.   It's possible that the carcono was in the building at the same time that Mr Caster admitted that he had rifles in the building ( Wed Nov 20 )   Prior to the coup nobody became alarmed by the presence of rifles in the building.....  But The question is:   WHO brought that carcano into the building?    It most definitely was NOT Lee Oswald on the morning of the murder.....

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2018, 08:20:46 PM »
It has always struck me as odd that LN'ers insist that the only time and manner of the rifle arriving was that morning.

Whilst it is possible that the witnesses, were all wrong, why does it matter when Oswald brought the rifle in??

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It has always struck me as odd that LN'ers insist that the only time and manner of the rifle arriving was that morning.

Whilst it is possible that the witnesses, were all wrong, why does it matter when Oswald brought the rifle in??

Unfortunately, If a person accepts that it's possible that Lee did in fact bring the carcano into the TSBD at anytime prior to the coup,  then that automatically means that he was guilty of murdering the POTUS.  Since I believe that Lee was being set up as the patsy ....I can accept that he brought the carcano into the TSBD at some earlier time.   ( Probably after hours when there was nobody around)    BUT since the rifle was wiped clean of any prints, then "someone" other than Lee handled that rifle and wiped it clean before hiding it beneath the boxes of books. Who ever that person was they didn't want their prints to be found on that rifle.    Lee wouldn't have cared because he was under the impression that he was playing a role very much like the role he played at Walker's.   A role in which it appeared that he had  ATTEMPTED to shoot JFK but missed.

It's entirely possible that Lee took the rifle into the TSBD days before the shooting.....  But That rifle was never fired on 11/22/63 ....

However.....  IF Lee was the person who took the carcano into the TSBD it doesn't make sense for him to have left the blanket in a condition that made the blanket appear to have a rifle in it.    If Lee had removed that rifle he would likely have simply folded the blanket and stowed it away with his other possessions in that garage. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2018, 09:25:07 PM »

    Frazier is a Totally unreliable witness. His story has changed numerous times. His most recent revelation was that he was going to duke-it-out with Fritz. He seems like a nice enough guy, but his eye witness accounts have gotten to the point of mirroring a fish story. There's a degree of truth in there somewhere, but how much is subject to question.

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    Frazier is a Totally unreliable witness. His story has changed numerous times. His most recent revelation was that he was going to duke-it-out with Fritz. He seems like a nice enough guy, but his eye witness accounts have gotten to the point of mirroring a fish story. There's a degree of truth in there somewhere, but how much is subject to question.

But he wasn't unreliable when he was interviewed by FBI Agent James Anderton in November of 1963.....

Frazier clearly told Anderton that Lee was carrying paper sack that was made from flimsy light weight brown paper on the morning of 11 / 22 / 63. and the three or four foot long paper bag that the DPD displayed to him that night DEFINITELY was NOT the bag that Lee carried.



The opening sentence refers to a "302" for Buell Wesley Frazier on 11/22/63....   Does anybody know where that 302 is?
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But he wasn't unreliable when he was interviewed by FBI Agent James Anderton in November of 1963.....
The opening sentence refers to a "302" for Buell Wesley Frazier on 11/22/63....   Does anybody know where that 302 is?
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A FD-302 form is used by FBI agents to "report or summarize the interviews that they conduct" and contains information from the notes taken during the interview by the non-primary agent. It consists of information taken from the subject, rather than details about the subject themselves.
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The question is: How did that Mannlicher Carcano get into he TSBD??   

The prime witness Buell Frazier swore that Lee Oswald carried a brown paper sack that was no longer that 27 inches and it was made from light weight flimsy brown paper.  Obviously there was no disassembled, 35 inch,  eight pound rifle in that flimsy bag.

But there isn't a shred of doubt that a carcano was found well hidden beneath pallets of books on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

Who smuggled the carcano into the TSBD, and who hid that rifle beneath those pallets of books ?

Someone posted these as possibilities awhile back.

Didn't lead to Ozzie as the LN so never investigated. AFAIN




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Someone posted these as possibilities awhile back.

Didn't lead to Ozzie as the LN so never investigated. AFAIN








Based on this information, I'd guess that there would be ample opportunity for some person who knew his way around the building and the cleaning schedules to enter the and leave TSBD unnoticed.  Particularly while Eddie Piper was there alone.   

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