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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2018, 04:06:36 PM »
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Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.



"They" being the Warren Commission, I suppose. If that's the case here's what the conclusion the WC arrived at as to time span of shots


"Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and it's occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds".


The only reason to come up with the time sapn of from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds was if the second shot had missed with the first shot hitting both JFK and Connally between frames 210 and 225 and the third shot the obvious hit to JFK's head at frame 313. So the alleged 5.8 seconds that's supposed to be set in stone isn't, wasn't and has never been except only in the minds of ignorant CTers.

In 1967 CBS showed a special on the Warren Commission Report and arrived at the conclusion that time span of shots could have reached over 8 seconds by using Luis Alvarez jiggle effect theory and a test done with 5 identical Bell and Howell cameras like that used by Zapruder which demonstrated that 18.3 fps was faster than the average of the fps of the five cameras.

      The WC, HSCA, or ARRB Never swore in Dave Wiegman for obvious reasons. Wiegman was filming Down Elm St, Up the Knoll, Across the Knoll, Down the Knoll, and Up Elm St shortly after the shots were fired. He also is alleged to have filmed the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass. Plus, Wiegman claims to have run into SA Lem Johns UP on the Knoll. Of course, the Govt has always claimed that No Agents were on the Knoll that day. With it eventually coming to light that Wiegman did Not conduct his filming continuously, the time line of his film and it capturing the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass becomes problematic with regard to the current timeline assigned to the shots being fired as well as the JFK Limo physically being on Elm St/East of the Triple Underpass. The longer the JFK Limo was East of the Triple Underpass = the greater the probability of a Limo STOP. This also calls into question why this STOP is missing from the holier-than-holy Zapruder Film. To corroborate this mythical Shots Fired/JFK Limo on Elm timeline, it was allegedly documented that Wiegman was on the ground roughly 3 seconds Before the 3rd shot was fired. This alleged "documentation" even had the name Gary Mack attached to it to seal-the-deal. Yet, if you listen to Dave Wiegman on the "Unsolved History" DVD, he clearly tells of still being inside Camera Car #1 when the 3rd shot was fired. On top of that, Wiegman details feeling the "compression" of that 3rd shot whizzing by his face. Wiegman's  story on "Unsolved History" destroys the currently accepted JFK Limo on Elm St timeline as well as putting a serious dent in the credibility of the Current Z Film. Wiegman also detailing his feeling the "compression" of the 3rd shot while sitting inside/atop convertible Camera Car #1 also lends credence to a 2nd shooter firing from close to street level.
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Re: Corroboration of Assassination films
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2018, 07:36:12 PM »
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Dear Doctor Daffy,
He took his foot off the accelerator while the limo was in low gear when he turned around to look at the commotion in the back seat. Stop adding foolish conspiracy crap to something so simple. Jesus Christ you friggin wackos just love to hatch these stupid-ass theories. The guy was inept at his duties simple as that.
Dear Proctoboy (Assman's sidekick),
I never said he hit the brakes dufus. I said he slowed down when he should have sped up. Sure Greer may have just been incompetent, but it sure seemed real coincidental-like that he slowed the limo down right at the Turkey Shoot Point, frame Z313. Just sayin'. :)

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Re: Corroboration of Assassination films
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2018, 07:40:47 PM »
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Would you get involved in a plot that required you to drive the car that was about to be fired upon?

THINK, man.

Somebody had to do it. Greer didn't need to know anything more than he was expected to slow the limo down, period. Otherwise, do some thinking yourself and explan why he did what he did? But don't hurt yourself coming up with some twisted excuse. It just further hurts your case.

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« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2018, 10:42:44 PM »
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Somebody had to do it. Greer didn't need to know anything more than he was expected to slow the limo down, period. Otherwise, do some thinking yourself and explan why he did what he did? But don't hurt yourself coming up with some twisted excuse. It just further hurts your case.

LOL. Everything coming from LNers seem like 'excuses' to you lot. And that we are sheep-dipped lemmings.

You seem to be speaking for Greer. How do you know what he would or wouldn't 'need to know'?

My take on the Greer thing has always been based on what most of us would do naturally: look back to see what WTH is going on behind us. And in doing so, most of us would arguably pause our foreward movement... and in Greer's case there would be no way of knowing from which direction any shots were coming from, including the overpass.
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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2018, 11:00:30 PM »
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Would you get involved in a plot that required you to drive the car that was about to be fired upon?

THINK, man.

Why not?  I certainly wouldn't want to get involved if I knew it was a Carcano LNer taking shots at me in a moving car that is for sure.   If I was part of the plot and LHO was just the patsy,  I would pay careful attention to slow the car down just as instructed to minimize my own possible demise!   It appears to me that when the head shot came in, Greer had his head moved from upright to that of a closer position to the windshield - thereby minimizing glass shard spray in his face.  At same time,  Kellerman was ducked down below the "dash" for a few frames around Z329.  The reality is, to get a sunglare off of his black suit coat enters  the twilight zone of impossibility.  One can draw the parallel to the motorcyclist "windshield glare" around frames at Z326 and on.  Something happened at Z329 and Z330 to create the front windshield anomaly - something such as glass spray in sunlight reflection perhaps.   There are no changes in recorded sunlight whilst looking at the motorcycle windshield area in the cogs to illustrate a coincidental change in lighting.





Unfortunately can't get the significant parts to show up in lightbox frames!  You have to examine them individually yourself! Costella's don't show it as good!
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There were way too many initial witnesses that said the car slowed down, almost to a stop.   If it slowed down, it means you are not taking proper evasive action to protect the President from further damage.  I don't know of any instances where someone would slow down when you are being shot at.   Seeing the President grab his throat,  2 or more seconds earlier and hearing "firecrackers" go off should be enough evidence to get the car out of there ASAP.  The car certainly had slowed down without a doubt because Clint Hill was able to run between the cars and jump onto the back of the limousine.  That means the cars were traveling at a slower pace than what a man can run!   It looks like Greer watched the President constantly from just after the neck shot on.   He even was watching during frames Z312/Z313.  He never returned his gaze to the front until Z320.

However, if you actually did an evasive maneuver knowing full well the plot, you would be putting yourself at grave risk.  Slowing down was the best thing he could do to make sure all shots were made without botching the assassination attempt and no one else got hurt.

It also looks like the visors are flipped up at the front of the windshield.  If that is correct, it certainly means that a frontal assault was allowing anyone from the front to have an unobstructed shot at the President.  Clearly, the case when you look at visor positions!

Costella's frame so you can see it in the post:

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Furthermore, if you look back at earlier frames, you can see the partially closed window beside Nellie Connally.  Just high enough to offer some protection and yet low enough that an elevated President could still be hit in the neck!  Again, note the deliberate position of sun visors!  It certainly wasn't there to keep the sun glare out of the driver's eyes!!!

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LOL. Everything coming from LNers seem like 'excuses' to you lot. And that we are sheep-dipped lemmings.

You seem to be speaking for Greer. How do you know what he would or wouldn't 'need to know'?

My take on the Greer thing has always been based on what most of us would do naturally: look back to see what WTH is going on behind us. And in doing so, most of us would arguably pause our foreward movement... and in Greer's case there would be no way of knowing from which direction any shots were coming from, including the overpass.


LOL. Everything coming from LNers seem like 'excuses' to you lot. And that we are sheep-dipped lemmings.

That's because you (and your ilk) make it look that way every time. The biggest credibility problem the LNs have (IMO) is that they will never concede even the smallest point, thus ignoring the simple fact that no story ever told is 100% spot on. If LNs want to be taken seriously, perhaps they should consider a new strategy where they admit that there are problems with the evidence instead of blindly defending it with stupid and sometimes pathetic claims.



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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2018, 02:05:07 AM »
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LOL. Everything coming from LNers seem like 'excuses' to you lot. And that we are sheep-dipped lemmings.

That's because you (and your ilk) make it look that way every time. The biggest credibility problem the LNs have (IMO) is that they will never concede even the smallest point, thus ignoring the simple fact that no story ever told is 100% spot on. If LNs want to be taken seriously, perhaps they should consider a new strategy where they admit that there are problems with the evidence instead of blindly defending it with stupid and sometimes pathetic claims.

Your opinion

Geez, I hope the Reptilians don't have a taste for Lemming meat.

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Your opinion

Geez, I hope the Reptilians don't have a taste for Lemming meat.

Thanks for proving my point

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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2018, 02:21:29 AM »
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LOL. Everything coming from LNers seem like 'excuses' to you lot. And that we are sheep-dipped lemmings.

Only the patsy gets sheep-dipped. You're just a shill with a twist of lemming.

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You seem to be speaking for Greer. How do you know what he would or wouldn't 'need to know'?

I assume Greer's primary duty would have been to protect the POTUS at all cost, which meant fleeing the area after hearing shots fired. At least that's how it works in any movie I've ever seen about an assault on the POTUS.

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My take on the Greer thing has always been based on what most of us would do naturally: look back to see what WTH is going on behind us. And in doing so, most of us would arguably pause our foreward movement... and in Greer's case there would be no way of knowing from which direction any shots were coming from, including the overpass.

The SS are trained to escort the POTUS away from any potential danger ASAP. That means Greer should have sped up as soon as he heard the 1st shot and certainly by the 2nd shot. Instead, after the 2nd shot he slowed the limo down to a near stop, turned back to see if JFK had been hit, watched JFK's head explode, then turned face front and waited for Hill to climb aboard and Jackie to climb onto the trunk before stepping on the gas.

Now see if you can turn face front in less than the blink of an eye like Greer did. Kellerman almost does a face plant in the dash from Greer braking. This could have been where a few alternate frames were removed to help speed up the limo. The following GIF is in real time at 18 fps.




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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2018, 02:39:27 AM »
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My take on the Greer thing has always been based on what most of us would do naturally: look back to see what WTH is going on behind us. And in doing so, most of us would arguably pause our foreward movement... and in Greer's case there would be no way of knowing from which direction any shots were coming from, including the overpass.

You mean the shot from the overpass that blew out the back of JFK's head like this...





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