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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2018, 09:06:50 AM »
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The Nix and Zapruder cameras had different frame rates.  So somebody made them match up.

John, what you don't seem to understand is that if you have two different cameras capturing the exact same scene and each one is running at a different frame rate, you can't [edited] change what's actually being recorded just because one or the other has more frames going through the gate.

The NZ sync video I posted proves that.

But for argument's sake, let's say that in Z for example, some frames were removed.  What exactly was removed...in other words, what was so dastardly that some frames needed to be removed? No one for the past 55 years has ever been able to answer this question.

To be honest, I'm really surprised that you brought this up, John. You seem like one of the more level-headed ones around here.
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John, what you don't seem to understand is that if you have two different cameras capturing the exact same scene and each one is running at a different frame rate, you can't [edited] change what's actually being recorded just because one or the other has more frames going through the gate.

The NZ sync video I posted proves that.

But for argument's sake, let's say that in Z for example, some frames were removed.  What exactly was removed...in other words, what was so dastardly that some frames needed to be removed? No one for the past 55 years has ever been able to answer this question.

To be honest, I'm really surprised that you brought this up, John. You seem like one of the more level-headed ones around here.

        Z frame(s) might have been removed due to their revealing a 4th shot striking the street, curb, grass, etc. This evidence of another shot having been fired would Prove at least 1 additional shooter = Conspiracy.  The filming of the JFK Limo as it turned onto and proceeded down Elm St would have revealed the Records Bld at that point in time. Also, remember the shallow bullet hole in the back of JFK. The shallow depth of this wound would be indicative of either a deflected bullet, fragment, and or a shot fired from more of a Horizontal Position vs the Height of the TSBD 6th floor. Again, this would Prove at least 1 additional shooter.

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        Z frame(s) might have been removed due to their revealing a 4th shot striking the street, curb, grass, etc. This evidence of another shot having been fired would Prove at least 1 additional shooter = Conspiracy.  The filming of the JFK Limo as it turned onto and proceeded down Elm St would have revealed the Records Bld at that point in time. Also, remember the shallow bullet hole in the back of JFK. The shallow depth of this wound would be indicative of either a deflected bullet, fragment, and or a shot fired from more of a Horizontal Position vs the Height of the TSBD 6th floor. Again, this would Prove at least 1 additional shooter.

In this day and age of 20 megapixel cameras, you'd never be able to see something like that in a 8mm 1960's era film, Royell. Watch the Z film and note that yes, you can recognize the people in the car, but hardly. The size of an 8mm frame of film is the size of your pinky nail. Do you really think that a spark or a puff of crushed concrete from a ricochet would be noticed?

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.

Think about it - if there was an honest and vigorous pursuit of the truth in this case by all involved, the media would have shown the film coast to coast the minute they'd have been able to and then let the chips fall where they may. But as we all know, that's not what happened.

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In this day and age of 20 megapixel cameras, you'd never be able to see something like that in a 8mm 1960's era film, Royell. Watch the Z film and note that yes, you can recognize the people in the car, but hardly. The size of an 8mm frame of film is the size of your pinky nail. Do you really think that a spark or a puff of crushed concrete from a ricochet would be noticed?

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.

Think about it - if there was an honest and vigorous pursuit of the truth in this case by all involved, the media would have shown the film coast to coast the minute they'd have been able to and then let the chips fall where they may. But as we all know, that's not what happened.

    I do Not know what you are viewing the Current Z Film through. If you can see the Glint of the Sun off of numerous objects all around Dealey Plaza, there is a better than good chance you would also see the result of a Bullet or a Fragment striking/bouncing off the street, curb, etc. The Image reproduction in this case continues to improve as does the means by which arm chair investigators can view these images at home.
    You and I agree on many aspects of this case

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Re: Corroboration of Assassination films
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2018, 08:01:18 PM »
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But for argument's sake, let's say that in Z for example, some frames were removed.  What exactly was removed...in other words, what was so dastardly that some frames needed to be removed? No one for the past 55 years has ever been able to answer this question.

This question has been answered years ago. If frames were removed it was to speed up the limo. The question no LNer has been able to answer is why Greer slowed down the limo to a near stop at Z313, the Turkey Shoot Point, after he knew shots had been fired? Where is that rule in the SS handbook?

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This question has been answered years ago. If frames were removed it was to speed up the limo. The question no LNer has been able to answer is why Greer slowed down the limo to a near stop at Z313, the Turkey Shoot Point, after he knew shots had been fired? Where is that rule in the SS handbook?
Dear Doctor Daffy,
He took his foot off the accelerator while the limo was in low gear when he turned around to look at the commotion in the back seat. Stop adding foolish conspiracy crap to something so simple. Jesus Christ you friggin wackos just love to hatch these stupid-ass theories. The guy was inept at his duties simple as that.

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This question has been answered years ago. If frames were removed it was to speed up the limo. The question no LNer has been able to answer is why Greer slowed down the limo to a near stop at Z313, the Turkey Shoot Point, after he knew shots had been fired? Where is that rule in the SS handbook?

Would you get involved in a plot that required you to drive the car that was about to be fired upon?

THINK, man.

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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2018, 01:37:59 AM »
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Would you get involved in a plot that required you to drive the car that was about to be fired upon?

THINK, man.

    Yeah. That's as crazy as believing someone would get involved in a plot that required: (1) You Smuggle Your Rifle into Your place of employment, (2) You Shoot the POTUS using Your Rifle, and (3) You Leave Your Rifle behind and Flee Your place of employment.   

 
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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2018, 05:56:25 AM »
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In this day and age of 20 megapixel cameras, you'd never be able to see something like that in a 8mm 1960's era film, Royell. Watch the Z film and note that yes, you can recognize the people in the car, but hardly. The size of an 8mm frame of film is the size of your pinky nail. Do you really think that a spark or a puff of crushed concrete from a ricochet would be noticed?

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.

Think about it - if there was an honest and vigorous pursuit of the truth in this case by all involved, the media would have shown the film coast to coast the minute they'd have been able to and then let the chips fall where they may. But as we all know, that's not what happened.

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.



"They" being the Warren Commission, I suppose. If that's the case here's what the conclusion the WC arrived at as to time span of shots


"Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and it's occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds".


The only reason to come up with the time sapn of from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds was if the second shot had missed with the first shot hitting both JFK and Connally between frames 210 and 225 and the third shot the obvious hit to JFK's head at frame 313. So the alleged 5.8 seconds that's supposed to be set in stone isn't, wasn't and has never been except only in the minds of ignorant CTers.

In 1967 CBS showed a special on the Warren Commission Report and arrived at the conclusion that time span of shots could have reached over 8 seconds by using Luis Alvarez jiggle effect theory and a test done with 5 identical Bell and Howell cameras like that used by Zapruder which demonstrated that 18.3 fps was faster than the average of the fps of the five cameras.




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Re: Corroboration of Assassination films
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2018, 06:25:31 AM »
 I believe there is good synergy with the films as per OP.  That doesn't mean there wasn't major editing within each one, removal of frames or scenes which you were not meant to see.   I have looked at the Zapruder film as the base film and then tried to see how the others match it.  They all seem to correlate well on the timeline IMHO.  What I find interesting is what each shows that the other doesn't when you combine the details.

No one captures any frontal limo shots.   We do see the ducking reaction of Bill Ready at about Z329 and also the girl (afro hair cut) running on the lawn changing direction at about that same instant.   We also never see the position of the lead car - only ever see it waiting in the safety of the triple overpass.  it remains there and allows the limousine to pass it on the way to the hospital.  It was never captured in the Zapruder film either. As it was after the motorcycles at film beginning, it certainly should have been the cue to have Zapruder turn his camera on.  For some reason, this car never captured on film or video! 

Bill Ready's reaction would indicate he saw something more than what he testified and that it was in front of him - not behind.
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"I was about 25-30 feet from President Kennedy who was located in the right rear seat. I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location.
At this time the U.S. Secret Service follow-up car seemed to slow and I heard someone from inside this car say: ''he's shot". I left the follow-up car in the direction of the President's car but was recalled by ATSAIC Emory Roberts (Secret Service) as the cars increased their speeds. I got back on the car and seated myself beside Mr. Roberts in the right front seat. The cars proceeded to the hospital several miles distance."


He was never interviewed by Warren Commission - only gave a statement.  Film shows he saw something happen - he ducked.  It was never evident that he looked behind him as he watched the assassination.  Again, ducking movement which could imply a frontal assault that he saw unfold, grassy knoll or otherwise.   This does not support LNer theory though!

Also interesting synergy with the afro girl who in the Nix Film, changes direction to move sideways away from limousine position at that same time.  There is good synergy in Zapruder Film in the "cogs".   I don't think she was ever interviewed but she would have an interesting aspect to share.  Jean Hill and Mary Moorman were stationary during the entire filming and showed no visible reaction.

The other man that had a very complex reaction was the man labelled as Malcom Summers.   He never turned up for 25 years for TV interview but did make a bit of a statement.  He was noncommittal during a lengthy interview 25 years later as to where he actually was.   He didn't want to say he was on the "island" (area between Elm Street and Main Street)  and he avoided answering that during the interview.  If he was the man rolling into the grass, he surely must have been a key witness and saw something to give a reaction like that.  His testimony on that day is unclear and was deemed unimportant.  He said he heard two shots but saw nothing - he may have been 15 feet away, closer than even Altgens!    However,  this man rolling and then crawling in the grass was the biggest action character in the film other than Clint Hill and Jacqueline.  (No one else ducked or flinched!) 

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"Yesterday, November 23, 1963, I was standing on the terrace of the small park on Elm Street to watch the President's motorcade..... Then all of the people started running up the terrace[/i] away from the President's car and I got up and started running also, not realizing what had happened...."[/b]

Was the terrace the island or the grassy knoll?  Also, why would you mess up the date as being November 23 and not November 22?  I guess these little details are not important when taking statements!   A little white lie there possibly to protect you by entering in the wrong date.

Real Conspiracy?    You merely have to mention the fact that LHO, the LNer was a highly qualified assassin and decided to mix his cartridge loads.  One bullet was frangible and the other was hardcore that is fact.    That evidence in and of itself is enough proof that it had to be more than one shooter.
 Can you imagine LHO making the decision......?   "Well,.... I think I will put the hard core bullet in the clip first, then I will follow that up with a frangible, then another frangible, no wait let me think about that,  I will load 2 hard bullets in and then the frangible. Yes, that is it.  It will allow me to adjust for wind in case I miss the car altogether.  I think I will only have 3 bullets in the clip, that should be enough!  I wonder if there could be someone to help me spot?  If only they would slow the car down for me.  Yes, three mixed bullets will be perfect.  Maybe I should just randomize them and if they hit they hit!!!!" 
 
Ridiculous arguments don't you think?
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