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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Actually it was less than a mile, how about you try walking the same distance, time yourself and tell us what happens
I have [reply #31] If you would only read a little more instead of posting your own unrelated propaganda.
 

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Why wouldn't Oswald wait to catch a bus?
It's just yet more evidence of a man evading capture, a man in flight.
Provide evidence of that...that someone who would simply take a bus is a fugitive.
 

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Time after time I am amazed to find that some people actually think evidence equals proof.
People can say anything they want.
Don't be 'amazed' though. Many people have been framed before with mountains of circumstantial 'evidence'. "We have our man" was announced two hours after the assassination.
 
 

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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I'm sure that some of the Dallas Police didn't like Kennedy but kill him or create an innocent patsy for their political ideology?, I seriously doubt it.
Throughout history it has happened. Even Julius Caesar was murdered by his closest friends.
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Again, I'm sure that some Dallas Police were a bit naughty but when you have a case of this size with so many police and press at all the crime scenes, this alone logically rules out any foul play.
"A bit naughty" :D You haven't a clue. It was a scavenger hunt all the way...with the press led around by their noses.
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It wasn't clear. Perhaps you should check the clarity of what you write... 
It was apparently clear to everyone else. It's not my fault if you can't keep up.
 

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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I think a full movement re-enactment would be very interesting..

From the 2nd floor encounter onwards.

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm
Looking at the timeline above...

12:31:30 PM: LHO is confronted in the lunchroom by Patrolman Marrion Baker. The
superintendent of the building, Roy Truly, vouches for LHO, and he is released.
12:33 PM: LHO leaves the TSBD by the front door (presumed).

In 90 secs, he purchases a Coke, then walks across the 1st floor in no hurry, goes down a flight of stairs, (probably) points out the phone to a journalist, reportedly gets seen by Campbell, retreives his jacket  and then pushes past the crowd at the front of the building (filled with people like BWF, who know him), alwhilst taking swigs from his Coke, as he has finished the Coke by the time he gets to the bus.

The written reports  ( see pages 599 thru 636 WR) of the FBI agents who were there when Fritz was interrogating Lee Oswald reveal that Lee had already purchased the Coca Cola when DPS officer Marrion Baker and Roy Truly encountered Lee in the second floor lunchroom.


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Oswald would have only about 8 minutes. Because the shooting of Tippet had to have occurred not later than about 1:12pm due to Benavides WC testimony of having waited "a few minutes" after the shooter had fled the scene, before Benavides attempted to use to the Tippet police car radio approx. 1:16pm.

Additionally, there is the time required for shooter to linger at the scene, droping his shells, then travel time to leave scene, also the walking time for Benavides,  stopping by officer Tippet, and so forth, before actually getting in the car

Note also: There is preliminary time for the shooter having been followed by Tippet some distance before the shooting occurred, a conversation between shooter and Tippet, and Tippet then getting out of the car. That  adds about an extra 1 minute of time required which is how I arrived at 1:12pm estimate.

Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes. No; I heard the shot before I pulled in.
Mr. BELIN - Oh, I see. You heard the shot and pulled in and then what?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I ducked down.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I heard the other two shots and I looked up and the Policeman was in, he seemed like he kind of stumbled and fell.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see the Policeman as he fell?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What else did you see?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.
Mr. BELIN - You saw the man going around the corner headed in what direction on what street?
Mr. BENAVIDES - On Patton Street. He was going south.
Mr. BELIN - He was going south on Patton Street?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes; do you know Dootch Motors?
Mr. BELIN - Do I know Dootch Motors?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he on the east or the west side of Patton as he was going?
Mr. BENAVIDES - On the east side.
Mr. BELIN - You saw him going on the east?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - How far did you see him go down Patton?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Just as far as the house would let the view go. In other words, as soon as he went past the house, I couldn't see him any more.
Mr. BELIN - Now, the first time that you saw him, what was his Position
Mr. BENAVIDES - He was standing, the first time I saw him. The man that shot him?
Mr. BELIN - Yes.
Mr. BENAVIDES - He was standing like I say, on the center in front of the windshield, right directly on the right front fender of the car.
Mr. BELIN - He was not moving when you saw him?
Mr. BENAVIDES - No; he wasn't moving then.
Mr. BELIN - All right, after you saw him turn around the corner, what did you do?
Mr. BENAVIDES - After that, I set there for just a few minutes to kind of, I thought he went in back of the house or something. At the time, I thought maybe he might have lived in there and I didn't want to get out and rush right up. He might start shooting again.
That is when I got out of the truck and walked over to the Policeman, and he was lying there and he had, looked like a big clot of blood coming out of his head, and his eyes were sunk back in his head, and just kind of made me feel real funny. I guess I was really scared.
Mr. BELIN - Did the Policeman say anything?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The Policeman, I believe was dead when he hit the ground, because he didn't put his hand out or nothing.
Mr. BELIN - Where was the Policeman as he fell, as you saw him?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I saw him as he was falling. The door was about half way open, and he was right in front of the door, and just about in front of the fender. I would say he was between the door and the front headlight, about middleway when he started to fall.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice where the gun of the policeman was?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The gun was in his hand and he was partially lying on his gun in his right hand. He was partially lying on his gun and on his hand, too.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I don't know if I opened the car door back further than what it was or not, but anyway, I went in and pulled the radio and I mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn't get an answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on 10th Street. I couldn't remember where it was at at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East 10th Street.
 
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Oswald would have only about 8 minutes. Because the shooting of Tippet had to have occurred not later than about 1:12pm due to Benavides WC testimony of having waited "a few minutes" after the shooter had fled the scene, before Benavides attempted to use to the Tippet police car radio approx. 1:16pm.

Additionally, there is the time required for shooter to linger at the scene, droping his shells, then travel time to leave scene, also the walking time for Benavides,  stopping by officer Tippet, and so forth, before actually getting in the car

Note also: There is preliminary time for the shooter having been followed by Tippet some distance before the shooting occurred, a conversation between shooter and Tippet, and Tippet then getting out of the car. That  adds about an extra 1 minute of time required which is how I arrived at 1:12pm estimate.

Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes. No; I heard the shot before I pulled in.
Mr. BELIN - Oh, I see. You heard the shot and pulled in and then what?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I ducked down.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I heard the other two shots and I looked up and the Policeman was in, he seemed like he kind of stumbled and fell.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see the Policeman as he fell?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What else did you see?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.
Mr. BELIN - You saw the man going around the corner headed in what direction on what street?
Mr. BENAVIDES - On Patton Street. He was going south.
Mr. BELIN - He was going south on Patton Street?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes; do you know Dootch Motors?
Mr. BELIN - Do I know Dootch Motors?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he on the east or the west side of Patton as he was going?
Mr. BENAVIDES - On the east side.
Mr. BELIN - You saw him going on the east?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - How far did you see him go down Patton?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Just as far as the house would let the view go. In other words, as soon as he went past the house, I couldn't see him any more.
Mr. BELIN - Now, the first time that you saw him, what was his Position
Mr. BENAVIDES - He was standing, the first time I saw him. The man that shot him?
Mr. BELIN - Yes.
Mr. BENAVIDES - He was standing like I say, on the center in front of the windshield, right directly on the right front fender of the car.
Mr. BELIN - He was not moving when you saw him?
Mr. BENAVIDES - No; he wasn't moving then.
Mr. BELIN - All right, after you saw him turn around the corner, what did you do?
Mr. BENAVIDES - After that, I set there for just a few minutes to kind of, I thought he went in back of the house or something. At the time, I thought maybe he might have lived in there and I didn't want to get out and rush right up. He might start shooting again.
That is when I got out of the truck and walked over to the Policeman, and he was lying there and he had, looked like a big clot of blood coming out of his head, and his eyes were sunk back in his head, and just kind of made me feel real funny. I guess I was really scared.
Mr. BELIN - Did the Policeman say anything?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The Policeman, I believe was dead when he hit the ground, because he didn't put his hand out or nothing.
Mr. BELIN - Where was the Policeman as he fell, as you saw him?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I saw him as he was falling. The door was about half way open, and he was right in front of the door, and just about in front of the fender. I would say he was between the door and the front headlight, about middleway when he started to fall.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice where the gun of the policeman was?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The gun was in his hand and he was partially lying on his gun in his right hand. He was partially lying on his gun and on his hand, too.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I don't know if I opened the car door back further than what it was or not, but anyway, I went in and pulled the radio and I mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn't get an answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on 10th Street. I couldn't remember where it was at at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East 10th Street.

Mr Iacoletti.... This Bud's for you....

I'll remind you that you've often said that Benavides didn't actually witness the murder...

Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I heard the other two shots and I looked up and the Policeman was in, he seemed like he kind of stumbled and fell.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see the Policeman as he fell?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.