Author Topic: Did Oswald know that after killing Kennedy, his rifle would be traced to Walker?  (Read 4736 times)

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Online Tony Fratini

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Oswald knew his rifle could be traced to him .....
.... if he was apprehended with it in his possession inside or outside the TSBD.

I've long believed that Oswald messed up his own plan ... by not being able to estimate the correct size of paper sack to contain (conceal) the rifle.

This was explained years ago in my topic about Oswald mistakenly constructing a too-short paper sack. Oswald thought he had received a 36-inch rifle. He was shipped a 40-inch rifle. He never noticed the extra length.
 
[Oswald was one of the very few human beings in the world who could not estimate the length of objects with absolute precision--at a glance.]

Oswald did not take enough paper (at the TSBD) to make a long enough paper sack to conceal the rifle fully assembled.

This is why I am "on topic" with S P E C U L A T I O N: Originally (Wednesday 20 November 1963) Oswald did not consider the possibility of the Carcano rifle being traced. He thought that he could kill JFK from a concealed position and then spirit the rifle out the back door of the TSBD "disguised" in the paper sack. He could walk to the Trinity River and throw the rifle in the water ... never to be found. Hence: No rifle to be traced back to him or his alias. When he realized the bag was too short to conceal the rifle, Lee Harvey Oswald changed his plan. He would leave the rifle hidden in the TSBD. This would give him enough time to get to Redbird Airport; hijack a plane and escape from the USA .... before the rifle was traced to him via the Hidell alias.

Hi Ross,

why would Lee place a fancy flap on CE 142 prior to placing the rifle in it and hence shortening the paper bag by ~ 3 inches? Ruth had paper and tape in her garage, why bother taking it from the TSBD and potentially be seen doing so?

How did Lee get the width of the paper bag spot on to hold a rifle with a scope attached? One would swear he had the rifle in front of him when he constructed CE 142!

Why was it necessary for Marina to even mention the Walker incident?

Mr. RANKIN. Did you tell the authorities anything about this Walker incident when you learned about it?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mr. RANKIN. You have told the Secret Service or the FBI people reasons why you didn't. Will you tell us?
Mrs. OSWALD. Why I did not tell about it?
First, because it was my husband. As far as I know, according to the local laws here, a wife cannot be a witness against her husband. But, of course, if I had known that Lee intended to repeat something like that, I would have told.

Mr. RANKIN. When was it that you told the FBI about the Walker shooting?
Mrs. OSWALD. About 2 weeks after Lee was killed.

What precipitated Marina to throw her dead husband under the bus? keep in mind that she knew that her husband had a rifle in a blanket in the Paine's garage on the floor where her children and Ruth's played and she never disclosed this fact to Ruth who took her in in good faith.

Mr. RANKIN. After your husband returned from Mexico, did you examine the rifle in the garage at any time?
Mrs. OSWALD. I had never examined the rifle in the garage. It was wrapped in a blanket and was lying on the floor.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever check to see whether the rifle was in the blanket?
Mrs. OSWALD. I never checked to see that. There was only once that 1 was interested in finding out what was in that blanket, and I saw that it was a rifle.
Mr. RANKIN. When was that?
Mrs. OSWALD. About a week after I came from New Orleans.

Mr. RANKIN. And then you found that the rifle was in the blanket, did you?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, 1 saw the wooden part of it, the wooden stock.

Her statements were contradictory.

Mr. JENNER - Mrs. Paine, if you had become aware prior to November 22 of the fact, if it be a fact, that there was a rifle in the blanket wrapped package on the floor of your garage, what do you think now you would have done?
Mrs. PAINE - I can say certainly I would not have wanted it there.
And that my pacifist feelings would have entered into my consideration of the subject. I cannot say certainly what I would have done, of course. And, as I have described myself and my beliefs, I like to consider the situation that I am in and react according to that situation, rather than to have doctrine or rigid belief.
I can certainly say this. I would have asked that it be entirely out of reach of children or out of sight of children.

Why would Lee leave a rifle in the garage where he had no control over?

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Inane comment!

Lee Harvey Oswald "intended" to go to Redbird Airport--not by taxi--by walking.

When he shot Officer JD Tippit, he panicked and hid in the Texas Theater. Before he could formulate a new plan to get to Redbird Airport, he was arrested by the Dallas PD.

Ross, You're revealing yourself to be a shallow thinker with little knowledge about the coup d e'tat.....

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Oh you are one of those people who put alot of stock in estimations of length  even when in this case they barely paid any attention to the package..My God. That is a one topic reputation killer. You can't be this irrational about one thing and not be irrational about many things.

They weren't paying much attention, therefore a rifle was in the package?  This is what you call rational?

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Oswald's motivation was fame, being someone etc. You can clearly see from his demeanor in the press conference, the way he was in the corridor. He was loving it,full of chat, clearly an act.

Confirmation bias.

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That defeats the theory of Oswald assassinating JFK and then going on to settle an old-score with General Walker.

I still say Oswald probably intended to hijack a plane at Redbird Airport. He must have been going "somewhere" when he was stopped by Officer Tippit. Where else could he have a chance of skipping the country?

Then why was he going in the opposite direction of Redbird Airport?

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Then why was he going in the opposite direction of Redbird Airport?

Actually, it was the right direction.
Question is [if he was headed to that airport] why did he walk?
He had a bus ticket.
Red Bird [now Dallas Executive] airport is 7.5 miles from the Beckley house.

About the rifle....Not many people now a days know how easy it was to buy a rifle or pistol in 1963 Texas.
You just went in an if you looked 18 enough...you bought one. No ID no shipping no handling no tax just buy it and go.
At the gun shows, you can still do this from private owners.

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About the rifle....Not many people now a days know how easy it was to buy a rifle or pistol in 1963 Texas.
You just went in an if you looked 18 enough...you bought one. No ID no shipping no handling no tax just buy it and go.
At the gun shows, you can still do this from private owners.

It was cheaper to buy through mail order.