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Online Martin Weidmann

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Frazier never admitted that he could have been mistaken about the manner in which Oswald carried the package.

At the mock trial, Bugs asked him a hypothetical question. He wanted to know (and I am paraphrazing) whether Frazier, walking behind Oswald, would have been able to see the package if it had protruded out. Frazier answered honestly that he could not have seen that, which is a far cry from admitting that he could have been mistaken about the way Oswald carried the package!

Bugs could just as easily have asked Frazier if he could have seen the package if there had been a tree in his line of sight. The answer would have been the same.... but, of course, there was no tree.

Just like there is no evidence whatsoever of a protruding package. There is however testimony from Frazier which says he saw Oswald carry the paper bag cupped in his hand and under his armpit, which btw also would make the package not visible for anybody behind Oswald.


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Offline Bill Brown

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When did Leavelle make the claim about what Scoggins supposedly said at the lineup?

Can you prove that Leavelle, in the weeks and months after the assassination, didn't tell family, friends and coworkers about what Scoggins said at the lineup?

You can see Mack's surprise when Frazier made that claim.  Frazier had never said anything like that before.  I don't give Frazier's statement (that he saw Oswald leave the building) much value, since he apparently waited decades upon decades to make that claim.

Can you quote Frazier ever saying anything like that before?

Offline John Mytton

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Stop being such a drama queen!

I'm not making any allegations. I'm just showing your claims for what they really are; assumptions!

Btw, talk about "mistaken witnesses"... who is the one who claims Frazier and Randle were mistaken/wrong about the bag?

Who is the one who can not show where the paper bag was allegedly found, because there is no in situ photo?

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Stop being such a drama queen!

Of course you can't find fault with my post because I reckon all your arguments continually revolve around "mistaken eyewitnesses, forged evidence, planted evidence, crooked cops, crooked officials and as I said the list goes on.

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I'm just showing your claims for what they really are; assumptions!

I just make reasonable inferences based on the evidence whereas in return you make observations which are unreasonable.

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Btw, talk about "mistaken witnesses"... who is the one who claims Frazier and Randle were mistaken/wrong about the bag?

They weren't entirely mistaken, their stories of where Oswald put the bag is corroborated, they both said that Oswald had a brown paper bag, they both said it was a long bag. The fact that they were slightly out with their overall guesstimation of an object that Frazier said he didn't pay much attention to and Linnie only saw briefly isn't really important.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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  Do we really need to play the word games?  Frazier admitted that the bag could have been carried by Oswald in a manner different than he (Frazier) previously described.
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So, the bag could have been shoved down his pants for all I know... 
That's how I would have answered.
Brown..have you ever carried a rifle? Military..hunting? Anywhere? Be honest now :-\

Offline Bill Brown

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You mean this?

Mr. EISENBERG. Now you also said there were several fibers, Mr. Stombaugh?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; I did. There was a single brown delustered viscose fiber and several light-green cotton fibers.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did this single brown viscose fiber match the fibers from the blanket, Exhibit 140?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; it did.
Mr. EISENBERG. In what characteristics were they matched?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. The fibers in the blanket had a large number of brown viscose fibers, delustered and one fiber I found in the bag was also a viscose fiber of the same type and color as seen under a low-powered microscope. The delustering spots seen on the fiber were the same size, and both fibers were approximately the same diameter.
Mr. EISENBERG. How common is viscose, Mr. Stombaugh, as a fiber?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Viscose is fairly common. It is used in many types of garments; it depends on the quality of the garment.
Mr. EISENBERG. And this was delustered viscose, did you say?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. How common is delustered viscose?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. It is most common, I would say. It is more common than lustrous.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now you also said there were several fibers, Mr. Stombaugh?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; I did. There was a single brown delustered viscose fiber and several light-green cotton fibers.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did this single brown viscose fiber match the fibers from the blanket, Exhibit 140?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; it did.

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Offline Bill Brown

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Vince Bugliosi:  So the bag could have been protruding out in front of his body and you wouldn't have been able to see it.  Is that correct?

Buell Frazier:  That is true.


Frazier admitted that the bag could have been carried by Oswald in a manner different than he (Frazier) previously described.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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ignoring the fact Tippit was at the GLOCO station waiting for the bus.

What proof do you have that Tippit was "waiting for the bus"?
Tippit was waiting for something. Fifteen minutes after the assassination [12:45] he was ordered from his South Oak Cliff area to patrol Central Oak Cliff. Fifteen minutes after that, [1:00] he was seen at the GLOCO station..not Oak Cliff at all but across the Trinity River from there at the edge of downtown Dallas. Ten or so minutes after that, [1:10+-] he was seen at a record store on Jefferson in Oak Cliff making a phone call. Some minutes after that, he was dead. What was up with Tippit?
 

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Mr. EISENBERG. Now you also said there were several fibers, Mr. Stombaugh?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; I did. There was a single brown delustered viscose fiber and several light-green cotton fibers.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did this single brown viscose fiber match the fibers from the blanket, Exhibit 140?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; it did.
Now who is 'playing word games'? And you are terrible at it :D