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Offline Steve Barber

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« Reply #370 on: October 21, 2018, 02:48:10 PM »
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     All the more reason that LBJ should Not have put her on display during his swearing in ceremony before leaving Love Field. I am still mystified how we see JFK's head literally Explode vs Jackie's face showing nary a trace of blood/matter. She was within mere inches of his head. Yet, Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo was splattered so violently he initially thought he had been shot.

That is a lie, Storing.  Hargis never, ever said anything about being struck with "force" by the "blood, brain and kind of bloody water".  Tink Thompson is responsible for that nonsense.  According to Hargis himself, when testifying at the Garrison trial, and during his testimony, he said he rode into the matter and again, never said anything about being struck with "force"!  You people rely on the stuff created out of thin air by fellow conspiracists!

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« Reply #371 on: October 21, 2018, 02:53:57 PM »
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That is a lie, Storing.  Hargis never, ever said anything about being struck with "force" by the "blood, brain and kind of bloody water".  Tink Thompson is responsible for that nonsense.  According to Hargis himself, when testifying at the Garrison trial, and during his testimony, he said he rode into the matter and again, never said anything about being struck with "force"!  You people rely on the stuff created out of thin air by fellow conspiracists!

Steve, If you don't have the guts to face the bitter truth it's understandable....  Some folks survive by denying the obvious.     

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« Reply #372 on: October 21, 2018, 04:07:12 PM »
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That is a lie, Storing.  Hargis never, ever said anything about being struck with "force" by the "blood, brain and kind of bloody water".  Tink Thompson is responsible for that nonsense.  According to Hargis himself, when testifying at the Garrison trial, and during his testimony, he said he rode into the matter and again, never said anything about being struck with "force"!  You people rely on the stuff created out of thin air by fellow conspiracists!

     So Now you slander Thompson even though his book Preceded Clay-Shaw? Trash Jackie, Trash Thompson, Trash the Parkland Professionals, it never stops. This is the level to which you have stooped in order to defend the LN/SBT Lunacy.   

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #373 on: October 21, 2018, 06:49:10 PM »
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     So Now you slander Thompson even though his book Preceded Clay-Shaw? Trash Jackie, Trash Thompson, Trash the Parkland Professionals, it never stops. This is the level to which you have stooped in order to defend the LN/SBT Lunacy.



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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #374 on: October 21, 2018, 10:03:42 PM »
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  According to Hargis himself...
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Josiah Thompson had dug some article out of the NY Sunday news [which NY news ?] anyway, Steve Barber located that article and here it is...   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
One thing seems evident...the splatter went to the left of the car and into the policeman.

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« Reply #375 on: October 21, 2018, 10:24:19 PM »
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For the benefit of the newbies...
Josiah Thompson had dug some article out of the NY Sunday news [which NY news ?] anyway, Steve Barber located that article and here it is...   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
One thing seems evident...the splatter went to the left of the car and into the policeman.

    Yeah. Jackie was Also to the Left of JFK. Thanks for proffering even further corroboration supporting that her Face and Upper Torso should have been absolutely splattered .

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« Reply #376 on: October 21, 2018, 10:40:38 PM »
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     So Now you slander Thompson even though his book Preceded Clay-Shaw? Trash Jackie, Trash Thompson, Trash the Parkland Professionals, it never stops. This is the level to which you have stooped in order to defend the LN/SBT Lunacy.

"Slander"?  Get real, Storing. Thompson is a public figure. People are allowed to say "That was Thompson's nonsense".  That isn't slander, it is stating a fact!  He is the one who said that the matter struck Hargis with "such force".  It wasn't Hargis who said it! Get over it!   

 Secondly, you are the ones trashing Mrs. Kennedy, not I!  You refuse to accept the fact that she was holding her husbands shattered head in her hands all the way to the hospital, and saw the head wound closer than ANYONE before it reached Parkland hospital. But, you won't have it that way.  You want everyone to think that because she was in shock, she couldn't positively be accurate when describing where the hole in the head was, even though she was trying to keep his brain inside his head by hold the "top of his head down".  That is nothing but a slap in Mrs. Kennedy's face by you clowns.

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« Reply #377 on: October 21, 2018, 10:43:51 PM »
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Steve, If you don't have the guts to face the bitter truth it's understandable....  Some folks survive by denying the obvious.     

 Don't talk to me about "guts"!  Your version of what is the truth and what the truth is are two different things!  Everything I stated re: Thompson and Hargis is a fact!  Thompson is responsible for misleading people when he said that Hargis was "struck with such force".  It wasn't Hargis who said that at any time.  Live with it!

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« Reply #378 on: October 21, 2018, 11:07:41 PM »
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For the benefit of the newbies...
Josiah Thompson had dug some article out of the NY Sunday news [which NY news ?] anyway, Steve Barber located that article and here it is...   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
One thing seems evident...the splatter went to the left of the car and into the policeman.

The majority of the head matter flew forward and all over the car, the Connally's, Kellerman, Greer.  According to Robert Frazier, there was blood, bits of bone, and brain tissue scattered all over the interior, the seats, the windshield, (both sides) sun visors (both sides) both side rails, the hood of the car and trunk lid. All of that matter had more volume to it than the minute particles( mist) that landed on Hargis and Martin, and neither Hargis or Martin said anything about being struck with "force" by the stuff that landed on them.  Martin didn't witness the fatal shot and didn't even know he had matter on his person. 
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 Mr. BALL. You had a white helmet on?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you notice any stains on your helmet?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir; during the process of working traffic there, I noticed that there were blood stains on the windshield on my motor and then I pulled off my helmet and I noticed there were blood stains on the left side of my helmet.
Mr. BALL. To give a more accurate description of the left side, could you tell us about where it started with reference to the forehead?
Mr. MARTIN. It was just to the left - of what would be the center of my forehead - approximately halfway, about a quarter of the helmet had spots of blood on it.
Mr. BALL. And were there any other spots of any other material on the helmet there besides blood?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir; there was other matter that looked like pieces of flesh.
Mr. BALL. What about your uniform?
Mr. MARTIN. There was blood and matter on my left shoulder of my uniform.
Mr. BALL. You pointed to a place in front of your shoulder, about the clavicle region?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Is that about where it was?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. On the front of your uniform and not on the side?
Mr. MARTIN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. That would be left, was it?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes; on the left side.
Mr. BALL. And just below the level of the shoulder?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And what spots were there?
Mr. MARTIN. They were blood spots and other matter.
Mr. BALL. And what did you notice on your windshield?
Mr. MARTIN. There was blood and other matter on my windshield and also on the motor.
Mr. BALL. Was the blood noticeable - were there large splotches?
Mr. MARTIN. No; they weren't large splotches, they were small - It was not very noticeable unless you looked at it.
Mr. BALL. Was the discoloration on your helmet noticeable?
Mr. MARTIN. Not too much - no -as a matter of fact, there were other people around there and two more officers there and they never noticed it.
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Mr. BALL. At that time were you with Mr. Hargis?
Mr. MARTIN. No, sir; I don't believe that he went to the hospital with us. I believe he stopped there at the scene of the shooting.
Mr. BALL. And did you ever see his helmet or his uniform or the windshield of his motorcycle?
Mr. MARTIN. No, sir - I never recall seeing him again until the next day.
Mr. BALL. Now, was this blood on the outside or the inside of your windshield?
Mr. MARTIN. It was on the outside of my windshield.
Mr. BALL. Was it on the right or left side?
Mr. MARTIN. It was on the outside of my windshield.
Mr. BALL. And what about the fender of the motorcycle?
Mr. MARTIN. It was just in the front - right on the front just above the cowling on the motorcycle.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #379 on: October 22, 2018, 04:01:53 AM »
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    Yeah. Jackie was Also to the Left of JFK. Thanks for proffering even further corroboration supporting that her Face and Upper Torso should have been absolutely splattered .
Mrs Kennedy was saturated with blood of course.

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