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« Reply #360 on: October 20, 2018, 04:04:45 PM »

   What Jackie is Specifically describing with regard to the Physical/Verbal Actions of JFK & Gov Connally, (JFK = "arm out", Connally = " grabbing his arms, fist beating saying No No No", appears No Where at Any Time on the CURRENT Zapruder Film.  These physical actions being absent from the Z Film is right in line with there also being no JFK Limo Stop on the CURRENT Z Film which many eyewitnesses claim to have seen.

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« Reply #361 on: October 20, 2018, 08:07:57 PM »
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   What Jackie is Specifically describing with regard to the Physical/Verbal Actions of JFK & Gov Connally, (JFK = "arm out", Connally = " grabbing his arms, fist beating saying No No No", appears No Where at Any Time on the CURRENT Zapruder Film.  These physical actions being absent from the Z Film is right in line with there also being no JFK Limo Stop on the CURRENT Z Film which many eyewitnesses claim to have seen.

 Not one other person who witnessed the assassination said anything about Connally beating his fist or grabbing his arm. Why?  Because it didn't happen, and Mrs. Kennedy's view of the front of Connally's body was not possible. He was facing away from her, and to his right with his back completely blocking her view, and therefore, she couldn't possibly have seen what his arms or hands were doing, Storing.  This is why law enforcement do not rely on eyewitnesses.  Mrs. Newman said Connally grabbed his stomach. Bill Newman said the president "stood up in his seat".  None of that happened, either.  You are so hell bent on trying(and you fail largely at) to prove that the Zapruder film isn't authentic.  You rely on the flimsiest of the flimsy!

 As for Mrs. Kennedy's having said her husband's hand was out...do you honestly believe that she could possibly get every detail correct after what she witnessed within 8 seconds?  Get real!  You've never been traumatized, have you? 

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« Reply #362 on: October 20, 2018, 08:27:45 PM »
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Not one other person who witnessed the assassination said anything about Connally beating his fist or grabbing his arm. Why?  Because it didn't happen, and Mrs. Kennedy's view of the front of Connally's body was not possible. He was facing away from her, and to his right with his back completely blocking her view, and therefore, she couldn't possibly have seen what his arms or hands were doing, Storing.  This is why law enforcement do not rely on eyewitnesses.  Mrs. Newman said Connally grabbed his stomach. Bill Newman said the president "stood up in his seat".  None of that happened, either.  You are so hell bent on trying(and you fail largely at) to prove that the Zapruder film isn't authentic.  You rely on the flimsiest of the flimsy!

 As for Mrs. Kennedy's having said her husband's hand was out...do you honestly believe that she could possibly get every detail correct after what she witnessed within 8 seconds?  Get real!  You've never been traumatized, have you?

          The above would mean You also do Not believe Jackie's claim of holding the Top of JFK's Head On/in place = the Top of JFK's head being blown off. So when are you going to inform Mytton of your refuting his position on that issue?   
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« Reply #363 on: October 20, 2018, 10:42:17 PM »
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          The above would mean You also do Not believe Jackie's claim of holding the Top of JFK's Head On/in place = the Top of JFK's head being blown off. So when are you going to inform Mytton of your refuting his position on that issue?

You open your mouth and out comes stupid, Storing.  Absolutely no parallel, but you aren't intelligent enough to figure out why there is no parallel.   

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« Reply #364 on: October 20, 2018, 10:55:41 PM »
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  Which makes absolutely no sense, when he was face up in the car the whole ride there.  And Clint Hill's hand is all over his now. He says it one way during this interview, then changes it and moves it to another location in another and so on.  Totally unreliable.  There was no hole on the back of the head. I don't care where Parkland doctors drew the wound.  They also said they didn't examine the wound on the head, years ago.  The hole was on op of the head and extended into the top rear--somewhat--. The missing skull in the top of the head autopsy photos and one of the uncropped back wound photos show the top of the head missing.  You choose to completely ignore what Mrs. Kennedy said. You completely ignore it!
"They also said they didn't examine the wound on the head, years ago"". No, No No, read the actual statements the doctors made. Posner tires to pass that bullshit off in his books. They said after dealing with the airways several of them had a chance too closely inspect the head wound in the back of the head. One of them said he sat there and stared right into it for several minutes while holding the trach equipment for Dr Perry. Two of the doctors closely inspected the wound and informed Dr Perry that they thought it was mortal.
 Dr Carrico claimed in an 80's interview for the TSBD museum that he knew the wound was in the top of the head but didn't not take the report he was writing seriously enough and lazily put the wound in the back of the head. He said he didn't consider that these reports were used for things like medical billing and Police investigations. Seriously? It was the PRESIDENT and he just didn't take the report seriously, wow. But what discounts his testimony completely is that famous poster that shows 14 of the parkland staff pointing to the back of their heads when describing the wound and Carrico is one of them!!! He acted like he knew the wound was on top the whole time and just got lazy with the report, But there he is in that poster holding his hand in the occipital region.
  The Dr's all put the wound in the same place and same size. They noted the Cerebellum was protruding and one saw a piece of it fall out revealing part of the Cerbrum. The actual interviews you can see and statements they gave at the time are consistent and completely contradicts Posner's bullshit line that they never inspected the wound. Clint hills statements right after the shooting are consistent too. Over time he changed it.
 I have heard his testimony discounted because he said something like 'the whole back of the head was blown off' then changed it to the 4 inch hole in the right occipital area. Well it is completely plausible that he saw blood and matter all over the back of his head and with the horror of it all he exaggerated a bit and was simply more specific later. It is not a reason to discount his testimony. Also I have to wonder if JFK was facing up all the way to Parkland how does Hill describe both the entrance and exit wound? He may be mixing actual memory with the official story after so many years.
Every attempt to discount the Parlkand Dr's testimony that I have see uses mis information to make the case. The actual fact is there is a huge problem between what they saw at Parkland and the official story. even FBI agent Sibert who was present at the autopsy said there was a big hole in the back of his head. He tried to talk to the Warren Commission but they would not listen and they also lost his notes from the autopsy.
 

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« Reply #365 on: October 20, 2018, 11:01:14 PM »
I consider Jackies testimony to be some of the least qualified. Yes she was very close but she just saw her husband heads blown off and just had gunshots land within inches of her. Her behavior on AirForce One shows that she was traumatized or in shock.

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« Reply #366 on: October 21, 2018, 01:24:13 AM »
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You open your mouth and out comes stupid, Storing.  Absolutely no parallel, but you aren't intelligent enough to figure out why there is no parallel.

    And here I was beginning to believe that your were becoming an Objective Researcher in search of the Truth. Instead, you are satisfied with being a nondescript member of The Flock mandating that you protect one of Your Own.  So much for your dismissal of eyewitness testimony/accounts.

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« Reply #367 on: October 21, 2018, 01:34:31 AM »
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I consider Jackies testimony to be some of the least qualified. Yes she was very close but she just saw her husband heads blown off and just had gunshots land within inches of her. Her behavior on AirForce One shows that she was traumatized or in shock.

     All the more reason that LBJ should Not have put her on display during his swearing in ceremony before leaving Love Field. I am still mystified how we see JFK's head literally Explode vs Jackie's face showing nary a trace of blood/matter. She was within mere inches of his head. Yet, Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo was splattered so violently he initially thought he had been shot.
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« Reply #368 on: October 21, 2018, 09:21:46 AM »
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     All the more reason that LBJ should Not have put her on display during his swearing in ceremony before leaving Love Field. I am still mystified how we see JFK's head literally Explode vs Jackie's face showing nary a trace of blood/matter. She was within mere inches of his head. Yet, Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo was splattered so violently he initially thought he had been shot.
"Yet, Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo was splattered so violently he initially thought he had been shot.

Because the shot came from the front and the matter went backwards.

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« Reply #369 on: October 21, 2018, 01:10:12 PM »
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     All the more reason that LBJ should Not have put her on display during his swearing in ceremony before leaving Love Field. I am still mystified how we see JFK's head literally Explode vs Jackie's face showing nary a trace of blood/matter. She was within mere inches of his head. Yet, Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo was splattered so violently he initially thought he had been shot.

I am still mystified how we see JFK's head literally Explode vs Jackie's face showing nary a trace of blood/matter. She was within mere inches of his head. Yet, Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo was splattered so violently he initially thought he had been shot.

I assume you're being factious ...   because obviously Jackie's head was to the left front and lower than JFK's head at the time the RIGHT REAR of JFK's head erupted and the debris was carried along the path of the exiting bullet.....

It's entirely possible that Hargis's helmet was struck by the spent bullet .......

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