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Offline Steve Barber

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« Reply #350 on: October 19, 2018, 11:28:26 PM »
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I can't find the quote right now but Hill did say he could look in to the back of JFK's head and see a void there where the plug came out...He says to Specter that the wound in the back of the head was the only wound...

You can look at images of Hill and he places his hand over the right occiput exactly where the Parkland witnesses drew their exit wound...

  Which makes absolutely no sense, when he was face up in the car the whole ride there.  And Clint Hill's hand is all over his now. He says it one way during this interview, then changes it and moves it to another location in another and so on.  Totally unreliable.  There was no hole on the back of the head. I don't care where Parkland doctors drew the wound.  They also said they didn't examine the wound on the head, years ago.  The hole was on op of the head and extended into the top rear--somewhat--. The missing skull in the top of the head autopsy photos and one of the uncropped back wound photos show the top of the head missing.  You choose to completely ignore what Mrs. Kennedy said. You completely ignore it!   

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« Reply #351 on: October 20, 2018, 12:19:48 AM »
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That was Clint Hill's make up gesture for his original claim...If you look closely he doesn't point to an entry hole with a finger in Mytton's clip...He makes a gesture that covers the size of the rear exit wound...

I was in the audience when Clint Hill was the guest speaker.....  He's an old man and his mind probaly isn't what it once was...but He still remembers the event well....but he talks directly from memory and forgets that he is supposed to be a bit circumspect And watch his words....

When he talked about what he saw when he jumped aboard the Lincoln he pointed to his right temple and said that he saw a bullet hole in the hair line just forward of the President's right ear....and a huge hole at the back of his head.....And he also used his right hand with his fingers splayed to indicate the area on the right rear of JFK's head where he saw the huge hole.....  Many of you have seen film of Clint Hill with his hand up at the right rear of his head...THAT gesture could be a copy of a film that was made at the time I heard him speak.   And he was NOT talking about an ENTRANCE wound....

MR Hill answered questions from the audience after his speech...I reminded him that he said he had pointed to his right temple and said that he saw a bullet hole forward of JFK's ear.....At that point an "assistant" stepped up beside Mr Hill and whispered in his ear....He then proceeded to hedge on what he had said spontaneously earlier....and started talking about the wound on the back of the head.....



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« Reply #352 on: October 20, 2018, 01:50:17 AM »
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  Which makes absolutely no sense, when he was face up in the car the whole ride there.  And Clint Hill's hand is all over his now. He says it one way during this interview, then changes it and moves it to another location in another and so on.  Totally unreliable.  There was no hole on the back of the head. I don't care where Parkland doctors drew the wound.  They also said they didn't examine the wound on the head, years ago.  The hole was on op of the head and extended into the top rear--somewhat--. The missing skull in the top of the head autopsy photos and one of the uncropped back wound photos show the top of the head missing.  You choose to completely ignore what Mrs. Kennedy said. You completely ignore it!

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« Reply #353 on: October 20, 2018, 05:02:26 AM »
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Boswell states it is his hand seen in the autopsy photo's "pulling the scalp forward"





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« Reply #354 on: October 20, 2018, 05:36:29 AM »
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I was in the audience when Clint Hill was the guest speaker.....  He's an old man and his mind probaly isn't what it once was...but He still remembers the event well....but he talks directly from memory and forgets that he is supposed to be a bit circumspect And watch his words....

When he talked about what he saw when he jumped aboard the Lincoln he pointed to his right temple and said that he saw a bullet hole in the hair line just forward of the President's right ear....and a huge hole at the back of his head.....And he also used his right hand with his fingers splayed to indicate the area on the right rear of JFK's head where he saw the huge hole.....  Many of you have seen film of Clint Hill with his hand up at the right rear of his head...THAT gesture could be a copy of a film that was made at the time I heard him speak.   And he was NOT talking about an ENTRANCE wound....

MR Hill answered questions from the audience after his speech...I reminded him that he said he had pointed to his right temple and said that he saw a bullet hole forward of JFK's ear.....At that point an "assistant" stepped up beside Mr Hill and whispered in his ear....He then proceeded to hedge on what he had said spontaneously earlier....and started talking about the wound on the back of the head.....

His CIA government minder...There was a second witness to the entry wound by the temple...Dennis David said Commander Pitzer showed him slides he had been assembling that possessed wounds that were different than those described as the official wounds...One of the slides showed a clear wound to the temple area like Hill described...CIA murdered Pitzer and confiscated the film images...

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« Reply #356 on: October 20, 2018, 05:57:32 AM »
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Boswell ARRB Medical Testimony

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Boswell states it is his hand seen in the autopsy photo's "pulling the scalp forward"







          The above describes what Jackie had "hold" of inside the Limo. It was JFK SCALP Not Skull Bone. Humes admitted to using a scalpel to further extend this scalp wound during the autopsy.

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« Reply #357 on: October 20, 2018, 08:39:32 AM »
Warren Commission Suppressed Jackie's
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Dallas, TX -- August 5, 2001 -- JFK Lancer, an historical research firm reports that the Court Reporter's tape shows Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony before the Warren Commission had additional descriptions which were withheld.

Mrs. Kennedy testified in a short private session held at her home in Washington, D.C., with Chief Justice Earl Warren, Commission General Council J. Lee Rankin, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and a court reporter in attendance. Testimony of witnesses before the Warren Commission was made public in the fall of 1964. Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony was also released containing her description of her husbands wounds which read :

        "And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything."

But a second section in which she described the wounds she saw carried only the notation: (Reference to Wounds Deleted).

Although very few Americans actually read those transcripts, historians and researchers who did read them were outraged, and waged a legal battle to have the omitted testimony released. In the early 1970s, a court decision required the United States Government to disclose to the public the contents of the still classified section of Mrs. Kennedy's 1964 Warren Commission testimony. Her previously withheld statement read:

        " I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."

Releasing this previously withheld section gave researchers what was assumed to be Mrs. Kennedy's complete description of the President's head wounds. Researchers took for granted that the hand-typed transcript page released by the National Archives from the official records of the Warren Commission ended the matter.

However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:

        "... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top."
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« Reply #359 on: October 20, 2018, 02:04:21 PM »
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Hmmm...I wonder if Jackie was remembering accurately when she said....
"There was this noise like that; I thought was a backfire. Then I next saw Connally grabbing his arms and saying no no no with his fist beating -- then Jack turned and I turned ----  then Jack turned and I turned -- all I remember was a gray blue up ahead ; then Jack turned back so neatly ; his last expression was so neat; he had his hand out , I could see a piece of his skull coming off it was flesh colored not white---he was holding out his hand ---and I can see  this perfectly clean piece piece detaching itself from his head. Then he slumped in my lap."

What she describes had to have happened in a fraction of a second.... and yet she remembers it as though it took much longer....


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