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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #270 on: October 17, 2018, 03:48:17 PM »
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Chaney said after telling Curry Ellis reassigned him to the lead bikes with Lumkpin and Grey. That is why he is not in Altgens 7.
Lead bike cop Ellis said the whole motorcade had come to a stop and he rode back to Curry where he met Chaney. Curry's car was stopped short of the underpass.
Another implication of this is that the Macintyre photo  would have to be altered to take out Chaney and add Ellis.
I have never understood how those three cops look like they are putting along at 25 to 30 mph and the limo is only about 2 seconds behind there current position and must be doing 50mph.
   I say that because not only are they 3 abreast when turning onto the onramp, friggen Lumpkin has his left hand in his lap! Being the middle guy when going around a curve means you have to watch your ass. At high speed the middle person is going to fall back a bit and not ride with one hand and a pleasant smile on their face. Not starting a new debate I just had to rant about it.

     Chris - Greatly Appreciate the research You have obviously put into this subject. Sgt Ellis is often over looked even though he was in charge of the DPD Motorcycle Escorts surrounding the JFK Limo. It is a sad commentary that the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers that continue lurking on the fringe of this Forum have Not put in the time that You have researching this area of the JFK Assassination. Of course, if they did, they would be forced to admit that they are Now Locked into these Erroneous positions due to having foolishly joined the echo chamber and drank the Kool-Aid decades ago. 

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #271 on: October 17, 2018, 03:59:30 PM »
Do the Math Storing

Zapruder camera speed 18.3Fps

Moving down Elm st from the Z-233 Chaney position to the Z-255 Chaney position

Thats a difference of just (22) Zapruder frames
a fraction over 1-second in time

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Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #272 on: October 17, 2018, 05:26:00 PM »
If Nix doesn't show Chaney's forward drive then the evidence points to him possibly getting his memory wrong of when he did that...

I tend to think Zapruder is heavily altered because there's too many witnesses swearing the limo stopped...Also Dennis David witnessed a shot to the temple that isn't seen in the current film...

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #273 on: October 17, 2018, 05:59:46 PM »
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Cakebread quote:
Your dreamin....  How can you identify the image as Chaney's and his motorcycle?  How do you know that the reflection isn't that of Douglas Jackson?

So you DISAGREE with Storing Walt, are you saying that he is DREAMING.

This is Storings Quote from page 1 of this thread.

 At Z-233 you can begin to see the Reflection of the Chaney Motorcycle light/fender on the Passenger Side of the JFK Limo. This would trump the current Speculation surrounding the motorcycle position on Z-242 = being way back beside the Queen Mary.

I could care less WHO thinks they can identify a person in that ink blot of a reflection.....  Douglas Jackson was riding outboard ( to the right ) of James Chaney......  The reflection could be Jackson's.   We simply don't know anything for a fact ...EXCEPT ...Chaney was beside the Lincoln when JFK was reacting to being shot.....

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #274 on: October 17, 2018, 06:06:15 PM »
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Zapruder frame Z-242 appears to show Chaney's left red flashing light on
his motorcycle.
Jerry Logan first pointed this out to me.

It confirms Chaney's motorcycle position in relation to the SS follow up car and Hargis and Martin.
there has been some debate on the forums regarding Chaney's "actual position on Elm st", as seen in Altgens 6 at Zapruder frame z255 (12-frames after Z-242)

Zapruder frame Z-242 shows Chaney's LEFT side red flashing light, i have done a small GIF to demonstrate it.



Z-242 Frame over Altgens 6  shows the position of the red flashing light seen in the Zapruder frame in relation to the red flashing light seen on Chaney's motorcycle



Z-242 Frame over Altgens 6  shows the position of the red flashing light seen in the Zapruder frame in relation to the red flashing light seen on Chaney's motorcycle

Really??   Let's see if you can solve a simple logic problem and do simple arithmetic ....   Camera snapping 16 images per second .....  How could a camera record a flashing light in one frame ?....
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #275 on: October 17, 2018, 06:38:22 PM »
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      You are continuing to confuse Z-233 which I Specifically reference vs Z-255. Take a Deep Breath, Focus, and then Proceed. You are all over the place

He's desperate Royell.....   And that causes his confusion.    He seems to think that simply because we both recognize that there was a conspiracy behind the coup d e'tat that we are bound to agree on every point...... And when you think about that...it's absurd. We've reached our conclusion by separate paths,  so we differ on things we've learned along the way......

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #276 on: October 17, 2018, 06:55:31 PM »
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Quote from: Robin Unger on October 10, 2018, 01:12:37 AM

    To my eyes the reflection in frame Z-234 appears to show a portion of Chaney's front tire and white tire fender, also the left side "red" flashing light, indicating how far back he was in relation to the Limo.

You have a short memory walt, you are the one who is dreaming  ::)
i told you that you were just making this stuff up as you go.

This was your post from page 13 of this thread

This is the frame you were refering too Walt , Z-234



Actually ...Being completely candid ....I never noticed that the discussion was NOT about frame 255.....  So I commented about Chaney's position at Frame 255.....  The bottom line for me is.... The Z film is a fake.....so it can't be used to support any point except if the point is that the film doesn't match what witnesses saw and recorded with their cameras.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #277 on: October 17, 2018, 07:26:24 PM »
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Do the Math Storing

Zapruder camera speed 18.3Fps

Moving down Elm st from the Z-233 Chaney position to the Z-255 Chaney position

Thats a difference of just (22) Zapruder frames
a fraction over 1-second in time

     If you are going to quote me, (which is a Wise thing for You to do), get it right. I specifically said Z-233.
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« Reply #278 on: October 17, 2018, 07:48:02 PM »
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If Nix doesn't show Chaney's forward drive then the evidence points to him possibly getting his memory wrong of when he did that...

I tend to think Zapruder is heavily altered because there's too many witnesses swearing the limo stopped...Also Dennis David witnessed a shot to the temple that isn't seen in the current film...

     You are correct in highlighting a possible JFK Limo STOP as being a Serious Problem. The CURRENT Z Film has the action going down in roughly 6 Seconds. Therefore, everybody/everything has to fit within this 6 second time frame. This time frame even extends to Wiegman. The JFK Limo is allegedly pictured going under the Triple Underpass during Wiegman's filming. Therefore, Wiegman is credited for being on-the-ground and moving around 3 seconds Prior to the Kill Shot being fired. This Contrivance is another JFK Assassination Urban Legend which has been repeated over-and-over until it is now accepted as fact. The Z Film being under lock-n-key up for its' initial 12 years of existence & the Original Nix Film being MIA is No Co-Inkydink.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #279 on: October 17, 2018, 08:43:12 PM »
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     You are correct in highlighting a possible JFK Limo STOP as being a Serious Problem. The CURRENT Z Film has the action going down in roughly 6 Seconds. Therefore, everybody/everything has to fit within this 6 second time frame. This time frame even extends to Wiegman. The JFK Limo is allegedly pictured going under the Triple Underpass during Wiegman's filming. Therefore, Wiegman is credited for being on-the-ground and moving around 3 seconds Prior to the Kill Shot being fired. This Contrivance is another JFK Assassination Urban Legend which has been repeated over-and-over until it is now accepted as fact. The Z Film being under lock-n-key up for its' initial 12 years of existence & the Original Nix Film being MIA is No Co-Inkydink.

The Z Film being under lock-n-key up for its' initial 12 years of existence & the Original Nix Film being MIA is No Co-Inkydink.

You are sooooo right!.....

But...How long did they work on creating the extant Z film before they decided to lock it away??   Did someone purloin a copy before they finished  their dirty work,  and they were forced to leave it as it is today....   

I'm sure that there were honest men who were employed by the various agencies who KNEW with absolute certainty that there was a massive cover up being perpetrated, but they were helpless because they simply could not stand up to the power behind the cou d e'tat.   

But they ( an honest FBI agent) might have obtained a copy of some of the frames of the the Z film that was being "worked on" and When Hoover became aware that they would never be able to display their Z film he simply ordered it to be put in his vault.....
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