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Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #250 on: October 16, 2018, 03:46:41 AM »
The theory that Chaney was removed is based on his testimony that he rode forward past the limo right after the head shot, but the Nix and Z films show he did not ride forward. Yet 3 of the 4 people in Curry's car said he did ride up to them and that he told them the president has been hit.
  If the limo stop was removed from the Z film it would leave no time and space for Chaney to ride forward AHEAD of the limo and speak to Curry. So Chaney's ride forward would have to be removed too.
 That theory does not effect Chaney's position in 255. I think separate issues may have been conflated. There is another conflated theory around Chaney's testimony that he "Looked back just in time to see the president hit in the head". People think that Chaney is looking back at the president in Altgens 6  and that confirms his testimony. But Chaney was talking about the headshot at 313.
 Chaney talking about 313 enforces the removal theory because he is not next to the limo in 313 so he can't "look back"towards Kennedy. But imo, when he said 'look back' he meant 'look back from where he had been looking' instead of 'looked backwards'.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #251 on: October 16, 2018, 04:49:25 AM »
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The theory that Chaney was removed is based on his testimony that he rode forward past the limo right after the head shot, but the Nix and Z films show he did not ride forward. Yet 3 of the 4 people in Curry's car said he did ride up to them and that he told them the president has been hit.
  If the limo stop was removed from the Z film it would leave no time and space for Chaney to ride forward AHEAD of the limo and speak to Curry. So Chaney's ride forward would have to be removed too.
 That theory does not effect Chaney's position in 255. I think separate issues may have been conflated. There is another conflated theory around Chaney's testimony that he "Looked back just in time to see the president hit in the head". People think that Chaney is looking back at the president in Altgens 6  and that confirms his testimony. But Chaney was talking about the headshot at 313.
 Chaney talking about 313 enforces the removal theory because he is not next to the limo in 313 so he can't "look back"towards Kennedy. But imo, when he said 'look back' he meant 'look back from where he had been looking' instead of 'looked backwards'.

          The questions surrounding the movements of Officer Chaney could have easily been cleared up by the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers back when the Main Players were still around and talking. It is obvious by the line of Q/A employed by WC Lawyers that they had No desire to get into these issues. The Old Guard should been all over these Issues/Unanswered Questions, but as usual they remained asleep at the switch. "The JFK Horsemen" over on You Tube is an Excellent 2 Part Presentation dealing with DPD Officer Chaney, the other DPD Motorcycle Cops that were positioned around the JFK Limo, a possible Limo STOP, and other related issues immediately following the Kill Shot. I highly recommend viewing "The JFK Horsemen" on You Tube.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #251 on: October 16, 2018, 04:49:25 AM »

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #252 on: October 16, 2018, 06:07:05 AM »
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The theory that Chaney was removed is based on his testimony that he rode forward past the limo right after the head shot, but the Nix and Z films show he did not ride forward. Yet 3 of the 4 people in Curry's car said he did ride up to them and that he told them the president has been hit.
  If the limo stop was removed from the Z film it would leave no time and space for Chaney to ride forward AHEAD of the limo and speak to Curry. So Chaney's ride forward would have to be removed too.

And that is the problem that that the Alterationists need to explain.

If a such large number of frames were supposedly removed from the Zapruder film the Limo Stop, Chaney's ride forward to the underpass.

To make the two films sync, all of  the corresponding frames in Nix would have to be removed as well  ???

What we see in Nix tells a different story

We see the heashot, immediately after it the Limo slows to a crawl, as the Limo slows to almost a stop, Channey and Jackson hit the brakes and the queen mary passes them.

At this point Chaney is left behind as greer guns the Limo and speeds off towards the underpass, at which point we see a large gap open up between the limo and the rest of the motorcade, who are still situated in the area next to the grassy knoll steps.



In Altgens 7 we see the lead car and we see the limo heading for the underpass ( there is no one else seen in Altgens 7 )



In Nix we see the heashot, immediately after the headshot the Limo slows to a crawl, as the Limo slows to almost a stop, Channey and Jackson hit the brakes and the queen mary passes them.






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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #253 on: October 16, 2018, 02:45:29 PM »
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And that is the problem that that the Alterationists need to explain.

If a such large number of frames were supposedly removed from the Zapruder film the Limo Stop, Chaney's ride forward to the underpass.

To make the two films sync, all of  the corresponding frames in Nix would have to be removed as well  ???

What we see in Nix tells a different story

We see the heashot, immediately after it the Limo slows to a crawl, as the Limo slows to almost a stop, Channey and Jackson hit the brakes and the queen mary passes them.

At this point Chaney is left behind as greer guns the Limo and speeds off towards the underpass, at which point we see a large gap open up between the limo and the rest of the motorcade, who are still situated in the area next to the grassy knoll steps.



In Altgens 7 we see the lead car and we see the limo heading for the underpass ( there is no one else seen in Altgens 7 )



In Nix we see the heashot, immediately after the headshot the Limo slows to a crawl, as the Limo slows to almost a stop, Channey and Jackson hit the brakes and the queen mary passes them.




  To add support to Robin's post, the Charles Bronson still shows Chaney in the position behind the limousine, just as the Zapruder film shows.  The Bronson still corresponds circa Zapruder film frame 230. 

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #254 on: October 16, 2018, 04:33:37 PM »
Either both films have been expertly altered to remove Chaney's darting forward or Chaney's memory is wrong and he thrust forward later...

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #255 on: October 16, 2018, 05:42:08 PM »
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Either both films have been expertly altered to remove Chaney's darting forward or Chaney's memory is wrong and he thrust forward later...

Where did Chaney ever say anything about "darting forward" during the shooting? 

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #255 on: October 16, 2018, 05:42:08 PM »

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« Reply #256 on: October 16, 2018, 09:03:34 PM »
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Where did Chaney ever say anything about "darting forward" during the shooting?

   (1) WHERE do you believe that Chaney spoke with Curry? (2) Were Chaney & Curry STOPPED during their conversation?

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #257 on: October 16, 2018, 10:04:58 PM »
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The theory that Chaney was removed is based on his testimony that he rode forward past the limo right after the head shot, but the Nix and Z films show he did not ride forward. Yet 3 of the 4 people in Curry's car said he did ride up to them and that he told them the president has been hit.
  If the limo stop was removed from the Z film it would leave no time and space for Chaney to ride forward AHEAD of the limo and speak to Curry. So Chaney's ride forward would have to be removed too.
 That theory does not effect Chaney's position in 255. I think separate issues may have been conflated. There is another conflated theory around Chaney's testimony that he "Looked back just in time to see the president hit in the head". People think that Chaney is looking back at the president in Altgens 6  and that confirms his testimony. But Chaney was talking about the headshot at 313.
 Chaney talking about 313 enforces the removal theory because he is not next to the limo in 313 so he can't "look back"towards Kennedy. But imo, when he said 'look back' he meant 'look back from where he had been looking' instead of 'looked backwards'.

The theory that Chaney was removed is based on his testimony that he rode forward past the limo right after the head shot,

Who believes that Chaney was removed (from the Z film?)

I believe it was a mistake that the film creators made.....They didn't deliberately remove Chaney from the film they were creating...They simply forgot that Chaney was alongside the Lincoln whe JFK was reacting to being hit.....And probably forgot that Altgens had recorded that scene in his 6th exposure.

Consequently they are now compelled to try to cover up that mistake......

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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« Reply #258 on: October 16, 2018, 10:11:21 PM »
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   (1) WHERE do you believe that Chaney spoke with Curry? (2) Were Chaney & Curry STOPPED during their conversation?

You didn't answer the question, so why are you asking me a question?  A question in response to my questions is not an answer.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #259 on: October 17, 2018, 03:42:34 AM »
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You didn't answer the question, so why are you asking me a question?  A question in response to my questions is not an answer.

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They are just fumbling around in the dark making it up as they go Steve.

I just posted photo's and a Nix Gif showing that Chaney was no where near the overpass as the lead car and the Limo approached it, and they totally ignored it. ( They have their Alteration rose colored glasses on. )

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