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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #240 on: October 15, 2018, 01:40:24 PM »
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Good plat Chris

I see the LOS line goes from the edge of the white colum, though the hood ornament, and on to Altgens standing location. :)


The hood ornament is a MOVING site. It is NOT fixed....  The location of the hood ornament can be determined by starting at the center of the third window of the TSBD and drawing a line through the WEST corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass    A second LOS line can be drawn from the east edge of the fourth window through the street light and on to the triple underpass and a third LOS line can be drawn from the east edge of the TSBD entrance through the tree and on to the triple underpass....   The point where that three lines intersect is the point where Altgens was standing when he snapped the photo.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #241 on: October 15, 2018, 04:49:05 PM »
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Thanks Chris

Their rationale for Chaney not appearing in Z-255 is that someone somewhere altered the frames to REMOVE Chaney.

I would ask them these question:

Why on earth would anybody want  to Remove Chaney from the Z-film ?

If Z-255 how many other frames was Chaney excised from ?

Why wasn't Chaney excised from Altgens 6 ?

Why wasn't Chaney's motorcycles reflection taken off the back of the limo in Z-255

Some clean up operation, who was running the "Operation Remove Channey" the 3-stooges

Inquiring minds want to know .  :) :D ;)

           (1) Why do we Not See the JFK Limo make the turn onto Elm St on the Z Film? (2) Why does the JFK Limo SUDDENLY "Poof" Appear on the Z Film? There are other Missing Z Film images as the Limo travels down Elm St, but bringing those up now would only muddle The Issue currently under discussion. You're assuming the conundrum of Officer Chaney centers on Chaney. This is definitely not the thought of an "inquiring mind". It is the sole thought of a Closed Mind.  The Z Film is Not a portrait of Officer Chaney. It captured peripheral images vs that which researchers over the last 54+ years have foolishly & repeatedly Focused on. Open your Mind/Thought Process while also opening your field-of-vision. Of course, breaking away from those that have Told you How to think for several decades will result in your becoming an outcast. Just know that legitimately searching for the truth never comes without consequences. Man Up     

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #241 on: October 15, 2018, 04:49:05 PM »

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #242 on: October 15, 2018, 05:21:12 PM »
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           (1) Why do we Not See the JFK Limo make the turn onto Elm St on the Z Film? (2) Why does the JFK Limo SUDDENLY "Poof" Appear on the Z Film? There are other Missing Z Film images as the Limo travels down Elm St, but bringing those up now would only muddle The Issue currently under discussion. You're assuming the conundrum of Officer Chaney centers on Chaney. This is definitely not the thought of an "inquiring mind". It is the sole thought of a Closed Mind.  The Z Film is Not a portrait of Officer Chaney. It captured peripheral images vs that which researchers over the last 54+ years have foolishly & repeatedly Focused on. Open your Mind/Thought Process while also opening your field-of-vision. Of course, breaking away from those that have Told you How to think for several decades will result in your becoming an outcast. Just know that legitimately searching for the truth never comes without consequences. Man Up   

I believe the extant Zfilm was first seen by the pubic when Jim Garrison showed it on the Johnny Carson show.....Isn't that right?

At any rate the government kept that film under wraps for a decade....And they've been desperate to sell it to the trusting, naive, pissants ever since....   Some suckers still refuse to see that it's a damned fake.....

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #243 on: October 15, 2018, 09:06:00 PM »
When asked two simple questions you both duck and weave, and try to divert from answering my direct and specific questions ,so i will ask it again.

Your rationale for Chaney not appearing in Z-255 is that some one some where altered the frames to REMOVE Chaney.

(1)-Why on earth would anybody want  to Remove Chaney from the Z-film ?

(2)-If Chaney was removed from frame Z-255 how many other frames was Chaney excised from ?

If you can't answer these two simple questions, then your whole "Chaney was removed from the Z-frames  scenario" is just a dumb theory that hasn't been thought through very well.

A mystery "who dun it" in search of a motive.



 

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #244 on: October 15, 2018, 09:31:23 PM »
I don't find Chaney's absence from frame 255 as being conclusive...He's simply too far right and behind the limo to appear as his reflection shows...There's nothing here...

Though I do think the shot evidence may have been drastically altered to remove evidence of a frontal shot and possibly even a second shot to Connally...

I've got to force myself to be fair and objective...Chaney could have been removed if his real presence showed a limo stop they didn't want to admit...
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 09:36:55 PM by Brian Doyle »

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #245 on: October 15, 2018, 11:24:04 PM »
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I don't find Chaney's absence from frame 255 as being conclusive...He's simply too far right and behind the limo to appear as his reflection shows...There's nothing here...

Though I do think the shot evidence may have been drastically altered to remove evidence of a frontal shot and possibly even a second shot to Connally...

I've got to force myself to be fair and objective...Chaney could have been removed if his real presence showed a limo stop they didn't want to admit...

In Z-233 Chaney is behind the Stemmons sign, his motorcycle still positioned on the white lane markers.

Zapruder frame composite.



« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 11:25:55 PM by Robin Unger »

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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« Reply #246 on: October 15, 2018, 11:28:10 PM »
Chaney may have pulled back and outward to make room for the Secret Service agents to reach JFK who was obviously in distress...

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #247 on: October 15, 2018, 11:41:17 PM »
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Chaney may have pulled back and outward to make room for the Secret Service agents to reach JFK who was obviously in distress...

Chaney was riding the white lane markers as he proceeded down Elm st.
the Secret Service had plenty of room to run.


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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #248 on: October 16, 2018, 12:58:12 AM »
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In Z-233 Chaney is behind the Stemmons sign, his motorcycle still positioned on the white lane markers.

Zapruder frame composite.



        Your Childish Cartoon(s) and sophomoric conjecture Fail to Prove the position of Officer Chaney. Even YOU admit Chaney is "behind the sign". Where EXACTLY Chaney is = Guess work on your part. "The Man With The X-Ray Eyes" you are Not.   

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #249 on: October 16, 2018, 03:22:48 AM »
Walt you have already demonstrated that you understand 'line of sight'. Chaney's hand would not disappear behind Kellerman because Chaney moves back AND OUT keeping him in the same position relative to the limo. As far as hand size, the kellerman comparison contradicts the JFK's hand comparison. Comparing to JFK's hand is better because JFK is at the same distance as you say Chaney is. You are also comparing hand vs hand not hand vs face. I would take the JFK's hand comparison over Kellermans, or i would throw them both out as unreliable.
 At this point the evidence is pretty solid that the LOS shows Chaney would be too close to the limo, that is the issue to address.

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