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Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #230 on: October 15, 2018, 05:42:28 AM »
I think so but people who disagree don't accept the Z film as real. It may well be faked in part, this part, who knows.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #231 on: October 15, 2018, 05:57:22 AM »
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Brian there is a red light that appears in 242 on the left side of the sprocket hole. That is likely Chaneys left from red light

Yes that was the whole point of me starting this thread, look at my first post.

The red light on the left side of Chaney's motorcycle seen  in Zapruder frame Z-242  ???
it was first pointed out to me by Jerry Organ
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #232 on: October 15, 2018, 06:32:57 AM »
The overhead is from June 24, 1964.
The Stemmons Sign had been removed.
The 5th set of lane markers from the east end of Elm appear to match the plotted lane markers.
Moving (JFK within the limo) along the LOS connecting Altgens, the lane marker and the horizontal structure (white in color) = a range from extant z250-z255 to match Altgen's 6.





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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #233 on: October 15, 2018, 06:35:12 AM »
Chaney's position as he proceeded down Elm st.

Riding the white lane markers, and his front tire was just in front of the queen mary in the gap between the rear of the Limo, and the front of the follow up car.

The Alterationists can not prove my observations wrong, despite all their lip flapping and the pages and pages of TEXT.



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« Reply #234 on: October 15, 2018, 06:59:02 AM »
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The overhead is from June 24, 1964.
The Stemmons Sign had been removed.
The 5th set of lane markers from the east end of Elm appear to match the plotted lane markers.
Moving (JFK within the limo) along the LOS connecting Altgens, the lane marker and the horizontal structure (white in color) = a range from extant z250-z255 to match Altgen's 6.


When i first started to try to match Altgens 6 to a Zapruder frame.

I would open up a large version of Altgens 6, and then go to the Zapruder frames and look for.

(1)-the position of JFK's head, arms and hands.
(2)-the position of Jackies head,arms and white gloves
(3)-the position of connally's head and shoulder during the head turn
(4)-the position and shape of the stars and stripes flag on the front of the limo

My opinion Z-255, but i did also look at Z-254 for a long time

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #235 on: October 15, 2018, 08:23:46 AM »
Robin I accept your original argument but proving it through Altgens 6 alone is it's own puzzle, which is fascinating to explore. If the Z film was accepted it would also prove Chaney was not where they say he is cause he obviously is not there in z255.

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« Reply #236 on: October 15, 2018, 10:00:20 AM »
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Robin I accept your original argument but proving it through Altgens 6 alone is it's own puzzle, which is fascinating to explore. If the Z film was accepted it would also prove Chaney was not where they say he is cause he obviously is not there in z255.

Thanks Chris

Their rationale for Chaney not appearing in Z-255 is that someone somewhere altered the frames to REMOVE Chaney.

I would ask them these question:

Why on earth would anybody want  to Remove Chaney from the Z-film ?

If Z-255 how many other frames was Chaney excised from ?

Why wasn't Chaney excised from Altgens 6 ?

Why wasn't Chaney's motorcycles reflection taken off the back of the limo in Z-255

Some clean up operation, who was running the "Operation Remove Channey" the 3-stooges

Inquiring minds want to know .  :) :D ;)
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« Reply #237 on: October 15, 2018, 10:06:33 AM »
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The overhead is from June 24, 1964.
The Stemmons Sign had been removed.
The 5th set of lane markers from the east end of Elm appear to match the plotted lane markers.
Moving (JFK within the limo) along the LOS connecting Altgens, the lane marker and the horizontal structure (white in color) = a range from extant z250-z255 to match Altgen's 6.


Good plat Chris

I see the LOS line goes from the edge of the white colum, though the hood ornament, and on to Altgens standing location. :)
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #238 on: October 15, 2018, 12:40:43 PM »
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The overhead is from June 24, 1964.
The Stemmons Sign had been removed.
The 5th set of lane markers from the east end of Elm appear to match the plotted lane markers.
Moving (JFK within the limo) along the LOS connecting Altgens, the lane marker and the horizontal structure (white in color) = a range from extant z250-z255 to match Altgen's 6.


Hi Chris....Thank you for presenting this ....However you've drawn the line across the concrete pylon at the east corner of the pylon....The LOS actually crosses the WEST corner.....and that moves Altgens camera position several feet to the north......
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #239 on: October 15, 2018, 01:00:50 PM »
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That is a tough judgement call comparing Kellerman's arm. Check out JFK's Left hand. He must have been making a really tight fist because his knuckes are so white you can see each one clearly. Compare Chaney's hand to JFK and Chaney's hand looks smaller.



Robin, Thank you for posting this nice clear copy of Altgen's # 6

Robin, I believe there is no problem ...

Chris,  Chaney's hand seems to be the correct size when comparing it to Kellerman's head.....And If Chaney were back behind the Lincoln near the right front fender of the QM....his hand would not be visible because it would be behind Kellerman.

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